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Early Christian view of the Holy Trinity

I can't recall any tradition from our church or the EO going against scripture.

Also we must be careful as to who is interpreting scripture as it must be guided by the Church whom Jesus Himself gave the mysteries of the kingdom to.

Ivan is of the belief that he is the authority of interpreting scripture and I, like Arkady, believe his position is erroneous and dangerous. Many fallacies have emerged due to this scripture only philosophy, where a kindergarten class is left to interpret the alphabet as they see fit, the students will come up with all sorts of errors, same goes for the bible.
Thirdwoe Wrote:When tradition goes against what is taught by Christ and His Apostles in Holy Scripture....then there is a problem. This is why we have had some of the divisions we have had, and continue to have. Men want to hold onto their traditions more than the truth found in God's Word...they are even willing to murder their brothers and sisters over it.

Baptist church?

I think you need to reread my previous posts in the light of what you said. I wasn't talking about customs or practices pertaining to individual churches which I do not deny. Why should I? It is part of their culture. But what I mean is that the apostles intentionally shotened the gospels in order not to blow them out of proportion. Because what's left they communicated personally unto their flock so they would not take gospel out of this context. He taught His discpiles for 3 years some 12 hours every day and when you open, say, a preaching of Mattai, do you really think this is it?! I mean, is this IT? You got to be kidding me. But in fact the only time in the New Testament when the Word of God personally wrote something was this:

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. (Yukhonon 8)

to make evident that the names of the scribes and pharisees who have brought this woman unto Him were written on the ground unlike those of His aposles which are written in heaven:

20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luqas 10)

God's Word is not only what was written but also what was said.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. (Thessalonians 2)

1) (spoken) word
2) epistle

Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (Yukhonon 20:30-31)

Do his last words indicate that what he's written is enough? I doubt. More over he's addressing it to those to whom he already preached Mshika so he wanted to impart to them something new as touching His Divinity because Satana had already sown tares and the heresies already sprang up by that time teaching Mshika was not God. Yukhonon could not afford endangering his sheep.

So it's clear as day:
1) some things were not written
2) the source of those unwritten things was the same Word of God, Himself
3) they were SO MANY
4) so apparently you've been missing out.

He goes like: "Guys, the story that I laid out here for you all will lead you believe in Yeshua but beware it is far from being complete".

12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full. (2nd Yukhonon)

Yukhonon would rather speak face to face.

35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Now, having studied 4 Gospels do you remember Mshika saying this? I don't.

in the very epistle that apostle Paulos writes to Timotheus, (chapter 3) he says:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

good. in the very same chapter he mentions the story that you won't find in the Bible:

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

the names of these Pharaoh's magicians were part of jewish oral Tradition:
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(Remember Paul was conversant in the Tradition as a pharisee.)

The same applies to the Epistle of Jude:

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

the story belongs to the book of the Assumption of Moses, as well as this:

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

is from the book of Enoch.

Even if all this came by revelation of the Holy Ghost this would assert that even jewish Tradition (not commandments of men) is not to be neglected.

Arkady. Russia.
Ivan and Chuck, I suggest you to read this article on sola scriptura:

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Hi Arkady,

I'm not a "Baptist"... just so you know, if you think that I am. I fellowship with many Christians and am not predudiced or hateful against any. I love all people, even my enemies, as Christ has commanded me to do.

And Traditions are fine long as they line up with what is taught by Christ and His Apostles in the Holy Scriptures. If they taught something other than what we find in Holy Scripture, which God gave us to be instructed by, then I am very certain that those other teachings did not go against what they also taught and which were recorded in Holy Scripture.

---> Can you tell us what was taught or what tradition they passed down to us, that is not found in Holy Scripture? I would like to know what you say it is.

God does not conflict with what He teaches, it all must line up with itself. This is why God tells us to test and prove everything, and not just accept it becuase its spoken by someone who says they speak for God.

Shlama Arkady:
Enough is enough. You may enjoy your religious beliefs as much as you want but others have their own religious beliefs also. You cannot dominate the subject as a Catholic with no regard for others, such as Baptists or any other sound doctrinal foundation. It doesn't mean that you have to agree with Baptist theology anymore than I have to swallow Catholic dogma hook, line and sinker. Agree to disagree. Get back to Aramaic Primacy and stay on topic. If you are going to pick at each and everyone that has a different view than your own then you are on the wrong Forum. We're not here to argue and bicker over doctrinal fluff ad infinitum.
I've given you as much latitude as I am willing to give without deleting your posts. Cease and desist or I will take firm measures.

Stephen Silver,
Forum Moderator.
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@Chuck: regarding your question: I will pm you.
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@Chuck: regarding your question: I will pm you.

Shlama Arkady:
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Arkady is orthodox and the acoe considers herself orthodox also, although we may have a slightly different theology when it comes to the blessed virgin, we agree on most other points.

I know we are not talking aramaic primacy but I feel Arkady has raised very sound points, the church is the final authority, not the bible, aramaic or otherwise.
Thank you, Alan.
Alan G77 Wrote:Stephen,

Arkady is orthodox and the acoe considers herself orthodox also, although we may have a slightly different theology when it comes to the blessed virgin, we agree on most other points.

I know we are not talking aramaic primacy but I feel Arkady has raised very sound points, the church is the final authority, not the bible, aramaic or otherwise.

Shlama Akhi Alan:
I will call it as I see it. This is not a theological forum. Each one has their own reasons for believing as they do, whether you or Arkady or I agree with it. Therefore stay off the theological platform and speak of the Peshitta. If the topic get's off into theology I will take action. It doesn't matter who is the one who brings up the subject.
Moreover, my decisions are final. I don't have to give any other reason for pulling the plug than that it is against Forum rules. Look directly above the topic under GENERAL and you will find FORUM RULES. Please help me by making my job as Forum Moderator easier........hence, a word to the wise.

Forum Rules:

Quote:The focus of the Forum is to demonstrate the primacy of the Aramaic New Testament. Theological discussions/arguments are not welcome here. If you have a question about the rapture, the antichrist, the Sabbath, why the Church of the East doesn't do this or why the Roman Catholic Church does that (or any other unrelated topic), then your question is best answered on the thousands of forums that are dedicated to theological debates. This is not one of them. That is a waste of our bandwidth, time and resources.

Stephen Silver,
Forum Moderator
TrueVineBranch Wrote:Christ preached God-Consciousness. This goes beyond any dogmatic formula. The Holy Trinity is a powerful concept that is not grasped easily. Actions are what God looks at. Faith is like a rudder to direct action properly. Binding yourself to Christ is a very powerful salve which goes beyond dogma. Bind yourself to Christ by following his commandments. Bless those that curse you. Inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, it is all around in every sight and every sound. Blessed is the Christ. All he was trying to explain is that WE ARE CURRENTLY IN HEAVEN. Life is a SACRED experience. There is not one thing that God is NOT.

Shlama Akhi:
Welcome to the Forum, dear friend. Unfortunately, you are off-topic. Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of Alaha (God)Please read the Forum Rules and post accordingly. You will find the Forum Rules at the beginning of the GENERAL section that we are in. This forum is for discussing Aramaic Primacy, the Peshitta and presently, how this is related with the Holy Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Feel free to enquire but please stay on topic. This is not about Hindu beliefs as your other post reveals, but about the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East which uses the Peshitta exclusively. The New Testament used by Assyrians is the Aramaic Peshitta and what we are discussing here is the early Christian view of the Holy Trinity. This has nothing to do with Hindu beliefs whatsoever so please keep this in mind dear friend, as you join in. Once again, welcome to the forum.

I don't understand what I said wrong. All I am stating is the teaching of Jesus Christ. We are in HEAVEN. LITERALLY. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
You said nothing inherently wrong, but stephen is clear about it.

This thread is not about Primacy or the peshitta topic, but about theology.

If you participate to this forum, you also consented with the policy which is 'do not post threads about theological issues.'

So, I know Stephen a little bit but he does not like to be misunderstood while he is very clear at that point.
Shlama True Vine Branch:
You are still off topic. The Forum Rules simply state NO THEOLOGY. What part of NO don't you understand. I've begun to delete every one of your posts that is against Forum Rules, as I will do for all others, in equal measure. Read the Forum Rules on the GENERAL page, just above the topics. Thank you for your insight Distazo, and for explaining this to True Vine Branch in a gentle manner, as you always do. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

Stephen Silver
Forum Moderator
Brother Stephen,

I think that it may be misleading to people, when they come here and see two main sections of the that says "Peshitta Primacy", with the added statement saying ?Discussions on the primacy of the Aramaic language and Peshitta New Testament.? And the other forum which says "General"...with the added statement saying there, saying "Anything - almost?...which would lead a person to think that almost anything can be discussed on the General part of the forum, though the same rule about theological discussions apply to both sections.

Perhaps it would be good to add these words to the General Forum title..."Almost anything, except Theological discussions". It might curb the habit?.And we all have weighed in on these discussions from time to time as you know, you included, so we know how easy it is to go there.


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