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Agape vs. Phileo
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Shlama Akhay,

Much hoopla has been created by the Greek Primacist arguments regarding Yukhanan John 21:15-17, and how Meshikha is supposed to have played with the meanings of the Greek words for love - "Agape" and "Phileo".

The plain truth is that "Agape" and "Phileo" are merely synonyms! The reading of the Greek versions of Yukhanan 3:35 and 5:20 (same author\translator) makes this very clear!
  • John 3:35 - the Father loves (Agapao) the Son
    John 5:20 - the Father loves (Phileo) the Son

Furthermore, we are told by the Greek primacists that "Phileo" supposedly means a more "friendly" type of "love", whereas "Agape" is more a "Godly" type of "love."

But how can "Phileo" simply be a "friend-ly" type of love when you consider the following verses in the GNT: ?
  • Matt.10:37 He that loveth father or mother

    John 12:25 He that loveth his life

    Matt.23:6 love the uppermost rooms

    John 5:20 the Father loveth the Son

    John 16:27 the Father Himself loveth you

    John 20:2 the other disciple, whom Jesus loved

    Titus 2:4 women to be sober, to love their husbands

Conversely, how can "Agapao" be a "God-ly type of love" in light of the following verses in the GNT: ?
  • John 12:43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise from God

    John 3:19 but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

    2 Pet 2:15 who loved the wages of wickedness.

    2 Tim 4:10 Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me...


Consider these two verses from the same Gospel of Yukhanan:
  • Concerning John the beloved disciple:
    John 21:20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved (agapeo)...

    John 20:2 She came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved (phileo)...

And these from Luke:
  • Luke 11:43 "...love (agapeo) the most important seats in the synagogues and greetings in the market-places."

    Luke 20:46 "...love (phileo) to be greeted in the market-places and have the most important seats in the synagogues."

How can these two words be anything but synonyms? This Greek Primacist argument is simply devoid of any merit!
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Agape vs. Phileo - by Paul Younan - 09-10-2003, 03:58 AM
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