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#16
Shlama Akhay,

Thanks for everyone's concern. My health is getting back on track and things are much better now after quite a few fixing-ups I had to do.

The work here is stalled, yes. I haven't felt much inspiration or motivation lately for the work, which is a prerequesite for any activity that I put my heart into. I could get a lot more done - but I've been slacking and concentrating on other areas of my life at the moment.

In all seriousness, this job is something for 20 people to do and I'm the only one interested in doing it at the moment. Not to mention that Acts is just about the longest and most boring book of the NT....literally all it is is "and they went here and then they left and went on a boat and landed in this island...." I'm hoping once I get into the more "interesting" books the work will speed up again. Seriously, the Gospels were exciting - Acts is a bore, for the most part. Not very motivating.

I'll try to get back to the work soon....
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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#17
...about people of other faiths on this site:

There will be no banning of people based on their religious convictions. A person does not have to be a Christian to be welcome here. The only banning that will happen will be if theology is discussed/debated. Then it won't matter what the religion of the person being banned is - I show no favoritism.

Theoretically, if there is no religious debate then there will be no reason why a Muslim, Buddhist or an Atheist will have any more problem here than a Baptist or a Catholic.

I realize some of you find it odd that a forum dedicated to a version of the Christian scriptures disallows discussions on theology. Realize that this rule is the sole reason why this forum has had to ban only one person in the last 2 years of operation.

And Chris (a.k.a. drmlanc & byrnesey) - I allowed you to return as Byrnesey. Don't test me again. Follow the rules that everyone else abides by and you will be just fine. As for "friends and supporters", I have only a handful by design - and we all understand each other and respect our limits and our boundaries. Help us to keep it that way and everyone will be happy.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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#18
Akhi Dan Gan,

Bar-Khela is a dear friend of mine and we go back many years. It does not matter to me what religious background he has. I know for a fact that he is very open-minded and I encourage that in people.

He is so open-minded that he sat next to Dean Dana and I in a Church of the East service in Los Angeles. There he was, a Muslim, celebrating in the Qurbana in Aramaic and he even went up for the offering, where he partook of the body and blood of Meshikha.

He said he was overwhelmed by the experience and I am glad he enjoyed the time we spent together. Whether or not he remains a Muslim or becomes a Christian at some point is up to him and his convictions. While I love my faith and wish that every man joins it, it must be of their own will and I push no one to that end.

If Bar-Khela took offense at something you posted about the recent attacks on the churches in Iraq, realize that he loves those churches as much as I do. I did not realize that the stories contained any false information about Islam.

The bottom line is that Islam has allowed our churches to have a peaceful existence in Iraq for many years. Whoever bombed those churches is no different from the American Christians who fire-bombed the parish I attend after 9/11. They no more represent Islam than the idiots who burned my parish represent Christianity.

A little more toleration on everyone's side will help matters greatly. Thank you.
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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#19
Dear Paul Younan & members of the forum,

Here is the clarification about the above post by bar_khela from my point of view.

I need to remind all of you that bar_khela is a muslim who is not happy with my post in another thread regarding the persecution of the Christians in the Middle East (i.e. <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.peshitta.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=825">viewtopic.php?t=825</a><!-- l -->).

Muslim is as much of a proper noun as Christian and Middle East. Capitalize it. But I do not understand your motive. Did you need to remind the active participants of this forum that I was Muslim because it would remind them of the awful images that they are accustomed to on television? Did you need them to unify against me to support your bias?

Your writing method is Pathos.



He PMed me earlier, asking me for the evidence. I showed him the hadith of Muslim where Muhammad commanded Muslims to expel the Jews and Christians from the "Arab peninsula." Later, he told me that he does not believe in the hadith and asked me to "shut up", apologize in the forum, and challenged me for a debate. I told him that this is not the forum to debate about Islam and to bring his desire for Islamic debate elsewhere because it is against the forum rules.

Evidence. Evidence is the major artery of this forum. We prove Greek primacists wrong with our murderous breakthroughs, do we not? You openly claimed that Muslims persecuted Christians for 1400 years. That is why I privately messaged you and asked you to prove your claim before me, if you were indeed a man. You, oh-so convienantly, went through an entire bundle of Hadiths, which were alleged sayings and actions attributed to Muhammad two centuries later, then you expected that you had me by the forelock.

You should have known better.

You submitted the following Hadith:

KITAB AL-JIHAD WA'L-SIYAR
(THE BOOK OF JIHAD AND EXPEDITION)

Book 19, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Then I told you that was later attributed to the prophet Muhammad and what history contests to are two very interestingly different things.

I proved it!

I sent you four links of English translations of his treaties to Christians, swearing protection and freedom of worship as there is no compulsion in religion.

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I even quoted an Assyrian Christian who converted to Islam at the age of seventy.

He said:

When I was a Christian I used to say, as did an uncle of mine who was one of the learned and eloquent men, that eloquence is not one of the signs of prophethood because it is common to all the peoples; but when I discarded (blind) imitation and (old) customs and gave up adhering to (mere) habit and training and reflected upon the meanings of the Qur'??n I came to know that what the followers of the Qur'??n claimed for it was true. The fact is that I have not found any book, be it by an Arab or a Persian, an Indian or a Greek, right from the beginning of the world up to now, which contains at the same time praises of God, belief in the prophets and apostles, exhortations to good, everlasting deeds, command to do good and prohibition against doing evil, inspiration to the desire of paradise and to avoidance of hell-fire as this Qur'??n does. So when a person brings to us a book of such qualities, which inspires such reverence and sweetness in the hearts and which has achieved such an overlasting success and he is (at the same time) an illiterate person who did never learnt the art of writing or rhetoric, that book is without any doubt one of the signs of his Prophethood.

[21] cAbdul Aleem, I'jaz ul Qur'??n, Islamic Culture, Op. Cit., pp. 222-223.

But what was your rebuttal? You said that if I cannot accept the words of my prophet, then conversing with me is a waste of time. That was a ungraceful copeout that left me angry.

I asked you, subsequently, to give me another source outside of the Hadiths. You did not comply. You only started to say that this is not the place to spread my religion. Another copeout.

So yes, I told you to "shut up." You obviously can't have a serious debate about Islam. You can only vomit silly hearsay from the television tube.


From what I can see in his post, I believe he is trying to instigate Paul Younan and members of this forum against me, because in his Private Message to me (where I asked him not to PM me again after receiving 4 messages from him but to bring his desire for Islamic debates elsewhere), he threatened to get Paul to ban me like Chris(drmlanc).

and the best performance goes to....

I did not threaten to have you banned. I told you that if you were to type one more dirty little baseless comment that we'd have to settle this before Paul. Do not misquote me.


His post seems to try to put me in bad light as someone who is very demanding, unappreciative, and inconsiderate of Paul's health.

You are. I still remember the thread. Paul told us that he has a serious condition in which only 50 percent of survival during surgery can be known. What did you say? You told him that he has to survive for the continuation of the project! Impossible! Paul is a father and a husband. Paul is more important to me that these proofs.

This poster has grudges against me because a few months back when he debated drmlanc about Islam in this forum, I asked them not to debate about Islam in this forum but to debate it elsewhere as it is a waste of bandwidth and diskspace. Paul deleted the thread later and came out with a forum rules.

I don't hold grudges. Life's too short. But I will tear your argument apart each and every time you choose to lie about my faith.

If you look at my post, I didn't ask Paul to record the audio Peshitta "in this critical time"(sic) but just stating my hope that there will be an audio project of the Peshitta in the future and also asking members in this forum about the audio Assyrian recitation of Gospel of Mark where Dean Dana promptly replied.

Why even mention such a project during this time? Offer a prayer instead.

We can find free audio Greek New Testament online, and in fact I have the cassettes of Greek New Testament recited by Spiros Zodhiates which is very useful to me in learning correct Greek pronunciation and memorize some New Testament text in Greek by heart. There is nothing wrong with desiring to see the audio version of Peshitta available online. As a matter of fact, I appreciate the works of Paul a lot in helping me to understand Peshitta better. That is why I have been propagating Aramaic Gospels in the chat rooms, Christian forum, and also a strong desire to make a web site propagating Aramaic Peshitta in the future, and making Peshitta related sites ranked higher in major search engines for certain keywords.

What did Jesus say about people who note their good works publicly?
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???
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#20
Salutations,

This one is as clear as day:

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I was thinking that I should send this to CNN. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->


Now I'm finished with this.
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???
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#21
Ivan Pavlovich Ostapyuk Wrote:Dan, I listen to the files and enjoy listening. Is it possible to save these files on computer harddrive? Thank You.

Dear Ivan,

When you clicked on the "Go" button, the File Download message box will give you this message:
"Would you like to open the file or save it to your computer?"

Choose the Save button option and save it to the folder in your PC. You can create a new folder and name it Tanakh Mp3.

Enjoy! <!-- s:bigups: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bigups.gif" alt=":bigups:" title="Big Ups" /><!-- s:bigups: -->
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#22
Paul Younan Wrote:Akhi Dan Gan,

Bar-Khela is a dear friend of mine and we go back many years. It does not matter to me what religious background he has. I know for a fact that he is very open-minded and I encourage that in people...

Thank you.

Dear Paul,

It was not my intention to question bar_khela's religious background in my post and that is why I didn't capitalize the word "Muslim." My intention was to give an explanation (from my point of view) to the reason why his post makes me look like a very demanding person, unappreciative of your works, and inconsiderate of your health.

bar_khela Wrote:Members of the forum,

Must I remind you that Paul is recovering?

I understand that the project is of vast importance to all of you. But in this critical time, you ask for an audio tape?

So you want an audio cd from Paul? What's next? Perhaps Dead Sea coins? Or postcards from Taurus signed in estangela? Nay, you act very unappreciative....

His post was addressed specifically to "Members of the forum" and that is why I made a response by addressing it to you and members of the forum to explain what is going on behind private messages between me and him that is unknown to others.

He asked me for proof and I sent a Hadith of Muslim (with the link to Islamic University's web site) to him without making any comment. If bar_khela's has issues with that Hadith, then I am not the right person for him to pick up arguments with but the International Islamic University of Malaysia hosting that Hadith and the majority of Muslims who accept the Hadith and consider those who reject the Hadith as non Muslim (e.g. Malaysia).

Let us put this matter to rest and do not bother to response back to my post, because it will take away your precious time. I am so sorry that my explanation to bar_khela's post is taking away your precious time.




Paul Younan Wrote:Shlama Akhay,

The work here is stalled, yes. I haven't felt much inspiration or motivation lately for the work, which is a prerequesite for any activity that I put my heart into. I could get a lot more done - but I've been slacking and concentrating on other areas of my life at the moment.

In all seriousness, this job is something for 20 people to do and I'm the only one interested in doing it at the moment. Not to mention that Acts is just about the longest and most boring book of the NT....literally all it is is "and they went here and then they left and went on a boat and landed in this island...." I'm hoping once I get into the more "interesting" books the work will speed up again. Seriously, the Gospels were exciting - Acts is a bore, for the most part. Not very motivating.

I'll try to get back to the work soon....


I can't remember how long George Lamsa took to finish his translation. If I am not mistaken Lamsa was sponsored by a rich Western lady. The NIV Bible is translated and edited by more than 104 persons. I know that it is a challenging job for you because you are doing it part time.

Last decade before I had access to computer and the Internet, I tried to make an interlinear Greek-Peshitta New Testament. I had to hand copy the text of the Syriac Peshitta and Greek New Testament in order to see the Aramaic text underlying the Greek New Testament. It was so tedious that I stopped at chapter 2 of Matthew. <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad --> But it was a good experience for me as I learned how to write Syriac scripts and some Aramaic words. <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->

I find that the book of Acts is very interesting. If we can see the book of Acts like watching a movie, I am sure it will be an encouraging action packed adventurous movie. We can see how the early disciples loved one another, sharing their faith daily wherever they go, and persecuted by others because of their faith. Too bad (bad?) many Christians today (including myself) no longer face pesecution like the early Christians. It turns many of us into lukewarm Christians.

Peace to you.
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#23
"He is so open-minded that he sat next to Dean Dana and I in a Church of the East service in Los Angeles. There he was, a Muslim, celebrating in the Qurbana in Aramaic and he even went up for the offering, where he partook of the body and blood of Meshikha.
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This Qurbana, is that the Jesus-given rirual of eating and drinking His flesh/blood?

Thanks for not banning me. Clearly I am not here to discuss theology, just here for the proofs, to take and give as I find them. Do note that when I was banned, there was no restriction on discussion, and people would frequently talk about theology, with or without my participation.

Regards,

Rich
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#24
bar_khela Wrote:Dear Paul Younan & members of the forum,

Muslim is as much of a proper noun as Christian and Middle East. Capitalize it. But I do not understand your motive. Did you need to remind the active participants of this forum that I was Muslim because it would remind them of the awful images that they are accustomed to on television? Did you need them to unify against me to support your bias?

Your writing method is Pathos.

If you check my PMs to you, you will notice that I capitalized the word "Muslim." I purposely didn't capitalize it because I responded to your post not because of the reason that you are a Muslim but because I was trying to explain what was going on between you and me in PMs.

I didn't ask them to unify against you. Your post specifically mentioned "Members of the forum." So, it is right for me to explain it to Paul and the members of forum as well as to the reason why you are not happy with my post and trying to portray me as very demanding, unappreciative, and inconsiderate of Paul's health.


bar_khela Wrote:Evidence. Evidence is the major artery of this forum. We prove Greek primacists wrong with our murderous breakthroughs, do we not? You openly claimed that Muslims persecuted Christians for 1400 years. That is why I privately messaged you and asked you to prove your claim before me, if you were indeed a man. You, oh-so convienantly, went through an entire bundle of Hadiths, which were alleged sayings and actions attributed to Muhammad two centuries later, then you expected that you had me by the forelock.

You should have known better.

You submitted the following Hadith:

KITAB AL-JIHAD WA'L-SIYAR
(THE BOOK OF JIHAD AND EXPEDITION)

Book 19, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Then I told you that was later attributed to the prophet Muhammad and what history contests to are two very interestingly different things.

I proved it!

I sent you four links of English translations of his treaties to Christians, swearing protection and freedom of worship as there is no compulsion in religion.


I posted that Hadith without making any comment to you because in general Muslims believe in the Hadith. Moreover, that Hadith is from Sahih Muslim that is considered to be genuine by many Muslims of Sunni sect. I didn't know that you are an anti-Hadith (fully or partially) guy.

That Hadith is also an inspiration for people like Osama bin Laden to expel the Jews and Christians from "Arab peninsula." So your problem is with that Hadith, not with me as I am not a Muslim. It is better for you to argue with Islamic ulama at International Islamic University in Malaysia that host that Hadith and ask them to take it out if it is false than for you to argue and debate with me as I am not a Muslim and what I can see about Islam is from what your 'holy books' teach <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www2.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/019_smt.html#019_4366">http://www2.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/musl ... l#019_4366</a><!-- m -->

It is better for you to educate your fellow Muslims about the web sites that you showed me than for you to argue with me, because it will help people like Osama bin Laden to be more tolerant towards non-Muslims. As long as this Hadith and similar Hadiths are propagated by Muslim web sites, Ulama, Mullahs, and Imams, there will be no peace in Israel, because expelling non-Muslims will be the inspiration for whoever believe in that Hadith.

But how many Muslims out there value web sites or non-Muslims sources about Muhammad more than the Hadith that has been accepted by the majority of Muslims as authoriatative for centuries?
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bar_khela Wrote:But what was your rebuttal? You said that if I cannot accept the words of my prophet, then conversing with me is a waste of time. That was a ungraceful copeout that left me angry.

I asked you, subsequently, to give me another source outside of the Hadiths. You did not comply. You only started to say that this is not the place to spread my religion. Another copeout.

So yes, I told you to "shut up." You obviously can't have a serious debate about Islam. You can only vomit silly hearsay from the television tube.[/b]

I didn't challenge you for a debate in the first place. You PMed me. I posted the Hadith without any comment and you are angry with me for saying "If you can't even accept the words of your own 'prophet' then I do not want to waste my time talking to you about Islam in a forum that is dedicated to the studies of the Bible." That is why I recommended you 2 forums where you can debate with someone who share your interests.

I am a busy man. I prefer to do my works and make full use of my time in studying the Bible and early church writers than get involved in a debate with people like you. It is my time. So, it is up to me to choose how I should spend my time. You should not be angry. In fact, when I visited Muslim web sites or Jewish forums I am not angry with what they said about Christianity or took offense, because they can have their own point of views just like I am having my own views about certain matters. I do not tell them to shut up. So, I expect the same from others like you who are a 'free thinker'. When you visit a Christian based web sites, do not easily get offended by terms that are contrary to what you believe (e.g. Son of God, etc).

For your info, I don't have a television at home for the past 13 years except a very small Pocket TV that I bought to watch FIFA World Cup 1998 that I never used since. The last time I sat down daily watching TV was during FIFA World cup 2002 at my brother's place. Before that, it was during September 11, 2001. I grew up watching Islamic TV programmes from Malaysia and listening to sermons in the mosques and mixing with a lot of Muslims. I even considered Islam when I was a teen, because I came from Buddhist background and I was seeking the purpose of life back then.

When I read Hadith, I really don't like the character of Muhammad as portrayed in the Hadith. If you yourself do not like the Hadith then you should not be offended by a non Muslim comments about your 'prophet' that is based on the Hadith. I don't know the reason why you reject the Hadith, but as for me one of the reasons why I reject Islam is because of the character of Muhammad as portrayed in the Hadith. So, if you a Muslim feel uncomfortable with the Hadith, then don't blame a non Muslim for disliking Muhammad as portrayed in the Hadith.


bar_khela Wrote:and the best performance goes to....

I did not threaten to have you banned. I told you that if you were to type one more dirty little baseless comment that we'd have to settle this before Paul. Do not misquote me.

Check your PM again. This is what you posted to me :

But one more dirty comment and we will settle this before Paul. You've seen what happened to Chris, did you not?

Both of us know that Chris (drmlanc) is banned after he argued with you and Dave. From what you have posted to me, I can interpret it to mean that you wanted me to be banned as well. I am glad you didn't <!-- s:bigups: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bigups.gif" alt=":bigups:" title="Big Ups" /><!-- s:bigups: -->

Paul and others have nothing to do with our disputes (which shouldn't be one in the first place). Why would you want to trouble Paul with personal disputes?

If you have problems with my comments regarding that Hadith, it is better for you to ask Islamic web sites to take it down for giving false information about Islam than arguing with me, because I am not a Muslim and that Hadith could mislead a lot of Muslims into hating Jews and Christians.



bar_khela Wrote:His post seems to try to put me in bad light as someone who is very demanding, unappreciative, and inconsiderate of Paul's health.

You are. I still remember the thread. Paul told us that he has a serious condition in which only 50 percent of survival during surgery can be known. What did you say? You told him that he has to survive for the continuation of the project! Impossible! Paul is a father and a husband. Paul is more important to me that these proofs.

You made this kind of accusation, because you don't like me. Why are you so judgmental about what is inside of another person's heart? Why do you want to find fault with me?

This is what I posted on Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:47 am, exactly 1 hour 12 minutes after Paul announced that he is diagnosed with Obstructive Sleep Apnea :

Dan Gan Wrote:Dear Akhi Paul,

We will surely pray for you akhi. You are the most important person online running the most important web site doing the most important project to benefit mankind.

When I first discovered about this site a few years back, I am always worried about your health because this web site has to continue even after all of us have departed from this world.

When I first discovered about the existence of Peshitta many years ago, buying the domain name <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.peshitta.org">http://www.peshitta.org</a><!-- w --> ever came across my mind. I am glad that this domain is run by a worthy person like you Paul Younan.

Thanks a lot for giving us Peshitta for free.

Be strong and courageous.

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bar_khela Wrote:I don't hold grudges. Life's too short. But I will tear your argument apart each and every time you choose to lie about my faith.


Why even mention such a project during this time? Offer a prayer instead.


I didn't lie about your faith. The Hadith I quoted is taken from International Islamic University of Malaysia. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www2.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/019_smt.html#019_4366">http://www2.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/musl ... l#019_4366</a><!-- m -->

You have problems with your fellow Muslims who believe in that Hadith not me, but you failed to realize it. Instead of picking up fights with me, you should "tear your argument apart each and every time you choose to lie about my faith" towards those Islamic web sites that offer free Hadith for Muslims to read, and also post your views in Islamic forums to let them know.

I am glad that you do not hold grudges. And I agree with you that life is too short. That is why I don't like to debate about Islam with you through PM or email (as requested by you) as I prefer to spend my time wisely. If you like to debate and argue about Islam then you should try :

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where you can find people with similar interest as you.


As you do not hold grudges, please do not hijack my thread and change it into another unrelated topic that will make Paul delete it later. I do not wish to see that happened to this thread or any of the thread I might create in the future. The purpose of this thread is to ask about Peshitta MP3 online whether from Peshitta.org itself or from another sites, and to share with my fellow Christians about the web site that I found offering FREE audio Modern Assyrian Gospel of Mark for downloading and also FREE audio Tanakh (Hebrew Old Testament) for downloading.

So, if you have any other personal issues with me, please use PM instead of posting it here in the public and making accusations in the public that I am very demanding, unappreciative and inconsiderate of Paul's health.


Dear Paul Younan and fellow members,

I am so sorry to have wasted your time and resources with personal arguments between bar_khela and me.


Let us put this matter to rest and concentrate on Peshitta and Aramaic.

Peace to all.


Dan Gan
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#25
Good, Dan. Do not have arguments here. Especially not with Paul, his friends or people who have similar theology to Paul. Best to keep things academic. It is up to people who they will accept as brothers.

Forever your brother,

Chris
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#26
Heh, I find this funny.

I know you hate me Chris, I can just feel it, I love you too :lol

Hehe, I hope you realized that your banning was your own doing, not mine or anyone else's. Calling Paul a liar and taking every opportunity to bait the topic of theology with everyone on here just to get it discussed every single freakin day, and basically calling our Islamic friend on here Devils spawn was all your doing buddy, not anyone else on here, surely not mine.

Maybe you thought about, maybe you haven't, maybe you don't really care and only want to push your agenda on here no matter what, who knows. When one looks at your website, you do nothing but push theology and put down other Christians who reject your opinions, especially the triune believing Christians,.... that in itself, is damning upon yourself because no one has any right to condemn another who is suppose to be their brother. Judgemental we will be, and we should be to ensure we are seeing things as they really are and not being led astray by anyone. But your website is very condemning against your own brethren, and you hurt only yourself because no matter what, GOD will promote those whom HE chooses and puts down those whom HE sees fit to do so to, HE is GOD and it is best to be on HIS side,.....but condemning his brethren will automatically put you in HIS gunsites just like a marine in afghanistan.

I really hope that one day you will take some of my input on here and actually reach up with your heart to receive the new life from Him above, really I do Chris. Without experience, it remains just a belief in our minds and a hope in our hearts. With experience from above, it becomes deep seated faith, ........I know that I know, that I know, and no one can tell me different because they were not there when it happened, type of faith.

When you do, you will freak out,....."Oh my GOD, Dave was right!!"

Anyways, enjoy your stay.

Dave
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Guys.....let's cut all this out, ok?

Whenever you post keep in mind that the world is reading. While there are less than 300 registered users on this forum, from the web logs we know that tens of thousands of unique IP addresses access this forum every month.

With that in mind, let's all keep it civil and on topic. And Chris, don't tempt me again.
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No problem Paul.

It's your website and I do wish people who are searching to see the work you and your friends have put into this and for them to appreciate it. I wouldn't want people who are genuinely looking for truth and reaching past themselves towards someone much greater than us to see me or anyone bickering over trivial things. It would only drive them away.
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Dan,

While I do agree that this topic should be closed, I think it should be sealed with issues between Dan and I resolved.

Dan...

As I publicly challenged you, I publicly apologize to you. You were right. It is indeed better to educate Muslims about the Hadiths than to dispute them with a non-Muslim.

I'm just frustrated, man. So frustrated. I do not see the glorious, educated community who led the world into advancement and harmony. I see uneducated, superstitous masses who flock to corrupt mullahs who promise paradise for the heads of Christians and Jews. I see old men on the street corners of Morroco who use the Qu'ran as a charm on the shelf but challenge each other in memorized Hadiths.

I do not see Christians with high government positions in so-called Islamic countries. I see Iraq.

Where's my House of Wisdom?

I do not see Maimondes of Spain writing "Guide for the Perplexed" while serving the Sultan of Egypt as court physician.

Where's my Andalucia?

As you know, Dan, this modern version of Islam does not allow its inherents to question. To question. To think for thyself and question authority. If you deviate from the majority, you're known as a disbeliever. To the weak-minded, death is more preferable. So why not kill a few Christians to appease your local mullah?

I feel alone in my quest to find true Islam. The Islam that liberated the Syrian Christians from Byzantine. The Islam of Saladin. The Islam of Ibn Sina.

All of their radiant ideals of progress and tolerance are under the sands sitting next to the Aramaic version of Revelation.

As Paul is translating alone, I too am translating alone. It is a scroll of puzzles.

Know this: It is time for revolution. An intellectual revolution within the Islamic community.
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???
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