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"Losing Jesus' Language"
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bar_khela Wrote:Forum,

I'm at the point of my life where every nuclei in my body is racing forth to tell me that it's time to become.

Therefore, I resign as a member of the forum. Farewell.
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Shalom to all on the forum,

Appologies if I am intruding on this post but let me introduce myself.

I am from an Islamic background and now a believer in Yeshua the Nazarene.

Akhi bar_khela made some comments regards with Islam e.g.

My point is that Muslims, who actually adhere by the Qu'ran and the lifestyle of the Prophet, do not go around killing Jews and Christians. I cannot make my point clearer.
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First of all this is not true neither by definition or by the words of the Qur'an or hadith. Just take a look at all the terrorism in the world, who is doing it?

Verses of the sword are very clear on what the non-Muslims that includes the Jews and Christians can expect from Muslims who live by the Qur'an.

Sura 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah [Allah is not the God of the Bible], nor in the latter day [atheists, polytheists, humanists and animists], nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited [this includes all people who do not comply with food restrictions and general laws of Islam], nor follow the religion of truth [that means ???Islam??? and applies to all non-Muslim people], out of those who have been given the Book [Includes Jews and Christians especially], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority [submission tax called Jizzya for those who do not believe in Muhammad and Allah] and they are in a state of subjection [humiliate them in subjection i.e. until they feel the only path for them is to become Muslims to avoid this over taxation and humiliation daily].

You also made a comment "show me the early caliphs who were persecuting the Jews or Christians."

Read very carefully the above Qur'anic statement, that refutes your argument as it comes out of the Muslim holy text and is effective for all time not just Muhammad's time. Now I would like to see your response.

Secondly backed by the Hadith and used by Osama Bin Laden to tell the Muslims...

"The Last Hour would not come till the Muslims fight against the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them until the Jews hide themselves behind the stones and trees, and the stones and trees would speak up saying: "O Muslim! O slave of Allah! There is a Jew hiding behind me; come and kill him." The _Ghardaq_ tree would speak, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Muhammad the prophet of Islam, narrated by Abu Hurraira).

Where is the peace in the above statements?

Thirdly you made some more comments:

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

Surah 112

Do you agree? Moses would.

My response:
You would have to prove Allah is God first and Moses would not submit to a monad. Would you please care to provide proof that Allah exists? How may I know this deity that claims to be like Yahweh?

Fourthly you said:
If being born of a virgin qualifies Eeshoa to be the 'son of God,' then surely Adam has more right than he.

My response:
Adam was not born from a virgin, Adam cannot be the Son of God since he is a created being and Yeshua is eternal and uncreated.

Fifth point, you said:
His way is known as "Islam," which was reinforced to the sons of Kedar by the Prophet.

My reply:
Sons of Keder are in judgment at the end of days for their behaviour towards biological Israel.

Jer 49:32 And their camels shall be a booty, and the multitude of their cattle a spoil: and I will scatter into all winds them that are in the utmost corners; and I will bring their calamity from all sides thereof, saith Yahweh.

Sixth point, you said:
To say that Paradise is restricted to Jews and Christians is egoism. To say that no true Prophet can arise outside of 'the sacred borders' of Israel is egosim. Your nation was only charged to bear light for all nations, which was the original Torah (no longer in your possession), not to claim a divine right to His Kingdom.

my reply:
This is the way Yahweh set it and Yeshua was the one who died on the cross to bear the sins of many, it may sound egotistical to you or whatever but Yahweh requires a sacrfice for your sins and in Islam you have no salvation since their is only good deeds which are nothing but menstural rags before a holy our holy father Yahweh.

7th point
The covenant that was made with Abraham is an eternal covenant not temporal so the Hebrews have full rights to their land.

God said to Abraham, "I will give you and your descendents after you the land in which you are now foreigners, all the land of Canaan, as a permanent possession." (Genesis 17:8)

???Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, to you have I
given it, as I spoke unto Moses. From the wilderness, and this Lebanon,
even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the
Hittites, and unto the Great Sea [Mediterraneansea] toward the going down of the sun, shall be your border.??? (Joshua1:3,4; Re: Deuteronomy 11:24)

???This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah
according to their families.??? ???Ashdod, its towns and its villages; Gaza, its
towns and its villages; unto the Brook of Egypt, the Great Sea being the
border thereof.??? (Joshua15:20,47)

8th Point:

For the Lord has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His dwelling. (Psalm 132:13)

God of Israel Yahweh is a Zionist Himself, so if you hate Zionists then you hate Him also and live under a curse from which you cannot free yourself unless you come to Yeshua the Nazarene.

Please answer these questions so I may be able to help you.

Blessings in the one name under heaven Yeshua of Nazareth

Simon
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Messages In This Thread
"Losing Jesus' Language" - by oozeaddai - 02-05-2005, 05:36 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-05-2005, 10:25 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:22 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 09:15 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 01:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:58 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:21 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:33 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 03:00 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 03:48 PM
Christ incarnate is in our midst - by gbausc - 02-06-2005, 05:07 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 06:23 PM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 02-06-2005, 06:51 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 07:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 08:16 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-07-2005, 03:54 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-07-2005, 08:05 PM
Re: Not having it. - by Dan Gan - 02-08-2005, 02:24 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-08-2005, 03:22 AM
Re: Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 09:32 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 10:06 PM
Michael the Elder - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 05:12 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-09-2005, 05:22 PM
'Put to the Sword' - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:17 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-09-2005, 11:15 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 12:35 AM
I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-10-2005, 01:14 AM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-11-2005, 01:44 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-13-2005, 02:55 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-13-2005, 07:33 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 03:39 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 05:21 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-14-2005, 11:04 PM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-14-2005, 11:32 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-15-2005, 12:00 AM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-15-2005, 08:48 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-15-2005, 11:13 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-16-2005, 01:43 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-17-2005, 12:17 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-17-2005, 03:38 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 12:36 AM
[No subject] - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 03:50 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Islam and Allah - by shimoun63 - 02-18-2005, 04:42 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 06:20 PM
ALLAH IS A ZIONIST - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 06:27 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-18-2005, 07:04 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 07:11 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 09:09 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-19-2005, 03:07 AM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-19-2005, 05:18 AM
[No subject] - by shimoun63 - 02-19-2005, 08:26 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-19-2005, 02:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-20-2005, 04:20 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-21-2005, 01:40 AM

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