Rafa wrote:I would say that a basically accurate description of my beliefs can be found in Epiphanius' "Panarion" 29
Super ironic that no? Same goes for me (theoretically- I need to get many things done before I can say I aproximate Epiphanius's "abominable heretics" in behavior and theology).
I also agree with Andrew's point of having AT LEAST this core agreement- that the Peshitta NT is the closest NT in existence to the originals (aside from a miraculous Hebrew DSS type manuscript appearing under a beach after a tsunami- which I doubt because Aramaic was the language of first century Jews). The COE were Nazarenes in the past, they have given many concessions over the years (especially after 1915) and represent 1% of Christianity (which is very sad) but their methodology is what I'd like to see for our texts (combined with the best of traditional orthodox Judaism which uses the MT text as it's base). If you read the talmud it says that standardisation is the key to preserving a culture, these sages knew what they were talking about (70 A.D.- the end of the world for some people it seemed).
Ben Masada wrote:Eddie Yousif wrote:I have been very frustrated in the last couple of months, searching from one web site to another, Trying to learn and understand more about Nazarene/Messianic Jews and how they Relate to Christianity.
Many web sites have hidden agenda's and do not really give you the Full picture, but i did find one web site at http://www.netzari.info/how.htm , which I am really wanting to confirm with members here if this is indeed a true reflection of your core beliefs.
I would also love to learn more directly from You, just a basic outline of what Netzarim is all about!
Many thanks in Advance
According to the original in Hebrew, where the word "Netzer" appears, it has nothing to do with Nazarenes or "Messianic Jews." (Isa. 48:1) The text talks about the Jewish People as one. The House of Jacob called by the modern name of Israel, sprung from the "netzer" of Judah. It means that the main part of the People comes from the stock of Judah, plus the few thousands from the Northern Tribes who joined Judah, and plus the converted from the Gentiles.
The Nazarenes were called Notzerim because of Jesus' origin from Nazareth. Today, it has been generalized to call Christians Notzerim here in Israel, but originally, Christianity started as Christians, because Paul would preach about Jesus as Christ. (Acts 11:26)
Ben Masada wrote:Dawid wrote:So you have the ability to create your own reality divorced from any evidence? Note that the New Testament and church fathers refer to nazaroi or nazoraeans. Different term.
The pronunciation with an "a" in the second syllable points to a root in "natzar" not "netzer." If the root were "netzer" it should be "Netzerim" or "netzrim."
There is no relation between Netzer and Nazarenes. The terms above, nazaroi and nazoraeans are not different. The root is the same. You have to check the original in Hebrew to understand what I am talking about. Read Isaah 48:1.
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