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use of OS by ancient Aramaic-speaking Christians
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Shlama all--

I can very easily see Akhan Paul's frustration here. In fact I share it. There does seem to be a general nose thumbing at his traditions, even though Paul shows how his tradition is based on history and linguistics. It's all too easy to discount the Semite foreigner in your midst. The West has done that for thousands of years, when they were not trying to wipe this tribe or that off the face of the earth that is. Sound harsh? Not if you read Constantine, Tamerlane, Genghis Khan and Hitler.

Let's be clear here: The western scholars and their ilk are saying that they do NOT trust the word of the Church of the East, that the Church of the East cannot tell the difference between the real Peshitta manuscripts and Old Syriac that they claim to have never used, that the Church of the East deliberately obscured or otherwise ripped from their annals "proof" that the Peshitta is revised from Old Syriac. This, the west says, the COE did, EVEN THOUGH THEIR OWN BYLAWS, ANNALS AND RECORDS SCREAM THE REVERSE.

And here's somethng else: As a Nazarene Jew, if someone did that to my sacred traditions, I would also be just a tad abrupt after months and months of these assertions offered without a shred of proof. Like when someone called YHWH the name of an Egpytian deity. For shame!

Also, I do not appreciate some of the things that Yuri has said and that others have backed. Mainly, to say Trimm is "virtually unchallenged" is totally wrong. He has been challenged on this forum, on his own forums, and he has lost. He could not speak 30 seconds of Aramaic to Akhi Paul when challenged to a debate, and I have forced him to admit errors when he came on my forums, such as Smyrna being "restored from the Greek" in Crawford Revealtion as he said in HRV. (I read it myself in the mss). I fought Trimm on grammar errors in his egregious reading of Ephesians 2:15, the man does not even know that a dalet proclitic can't mean "because" between two nouns, nor does he understand the full meaning of key Aramiac words like NAMUSA and SHUKHALFA.

Furthermore, my books, the seminars I have taught, the lectures that I have given all over the country and my website ALL stand against James Trimm. My only thing is that I don't want to dignify his lists and lies with my presence, and I refuse utterly to allow him voice to bring out the same tired cr*p that has already been refuted. My essays TRUTH AND TRIMM went all over the internet and exposed him--I only revised them to tone down the harsh language but made it clear to James that my positions against hm stand in every respect. Most recently, a very promiment Messianic leader asked me why I was against Trimm and I told him in graphic detail--he accepted my reasoning. And I have caused more people NOT to buy the Horribly Ruined Version NT than anyone else on the web. We're talking rabbis who did not buy dozens of copies for their congregations, and indivuals who email me privately, one just yesterday, who won't have anything to do with him. You forget I'm a Nazarene too and move in the exact same circles James does. It's not slander or libel (or as my brethren say LASHON HARA) if it is true.

Obviously these facts though are not well known, perhaps because I'm just another Semite too??? Understand then and don't make this error again. As long as Paul and I draw breath and as long as we write and maintain a presence on the web, the evidence against Trimm will be catalogued and explained completely and often. This is NOT a personal attack, but to prevent our sacred text from being defiled. It is real scholarship from genuine Aramaic speakers against those who would dabble in it and think themselves clever enough to fool the uninitiated. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
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