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A couple questions
#1
Can someone help me with a Peshitta translation of Hebrews 7:3-6?

I am studying it in the english versions and in the greek. I have the hebrew/aramaic peshitta NT but I'm just learning the hebrew and translation is really slow for me. Any help would be apprecated.

I am also interested in the Peshitta reading of Acts 20:28 vs. the Greek readings. Any help with this would be appreciated as well.

Thanks much.

MGer <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> (p.s. I would also be interested in discussing with anyone their concepts of who this Melchi-tzedek is in the scriptures...and why you think what you think).
Matt. 5:17-19.
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#2
I'll take a stab at it Akhi, so you can have a look before a better translator helps you out. I'll be glad when Paul has gone through Hebrews, but being the last book, that may take years <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

"Can someone help me with a Peshitta translation of Hebrews 7:3-6? "

Hebrews 7:3-6

Neither his father nor mother is written in the genaolgies, nor the beginning of his day, nor end of his life, but like the Son of God, his priesthood remains forever. See how great this man was, when even Abraham gave him tithes and fristfruits. For they are the sons of Levi, of the priesthood as per the law, they take tithes from the people, from their brothers, when they also come from Abraham. But this man who is not recorded in genealogies, even took tithes from Abraham and blessed him who received promises.


" am also interested in the Peshitta reading of Acts 20:28 vs. the Greek readings. Any help with this would be appreciated as well.
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I think I see what you're getting at. Is it "of God", or "of Christ"? It is Christ! So says the Peshitta. Who elses blood would it be... Forget what the Peshitto and Greek says, when they all say "God".

"(p.s. I would also be interested in discussing with anyone their concepts of who this Melchi-tzedek is in the scriptures...and why you think what you think)."

Even though the Aramaic doesn't say like KJV that he had no parents, beginning, end etc I still think it says so. Why was none of this info recorded? Because maybe it didn't exist... I personally think he was a manifestation of God, a type of "Jesus".
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#3
Thanks drmlanc,


Hebrews 7:3-6

Neither his father nor mother is written in the genaolgies, nor the beginning of his day, nor end of his life, but like the Son of God, his priesthood remains forever. See how great this man was, when even Abraham gave him tithes and fristfruits. For they are the sons of Levi, of the priesthood as per the law, they take tithes from the people, from their brothers, when they also come from Abraham. But this man who is not recorded in genealogies, even took tithes from Abraham and blessed him who received promises.

Wow, very interesting. Thank you for the help.

" am also interested in the Peshitta reading of Acts 20:28 vs. the Greek readings. Any help with this would be appreciated as well.
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I think I see what you're getting at. Is it "of God", or "of Christ"? It is Christ! So says the Peshitta. Who elses blood would it be... Forget what the Peshitto and Greek says, when they all say "God".

Yes, I've been told by others the Peshitta was different on this verse than the Greek. The Greek seems to imply "Son" anyway as far as I'm concerned..just because of the grammar.

"(p.s. I would also be interested in discussing with anyone their concepts of who this Melchi-tzedek is in the scriptures...and why you think what you think)."

Even though the Aramaic doesn't say like KJV that he had no parents, beginning, end etc I still think it says so. Why was none of this info recorded? Because maybe it didn't exist... I personally think he was a manifestation of God, a type of "Jesus".[/quote]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing your view. I was taught that he was a pre-incarnate "Jesus" but from what I can read in hebrews..he is obviously another figure and according to the peshitta...as you have translated it...a "man." So, I've ruled out, in my mind..that he is Y'shua...and also that he is an angel of some type. But...a manifestation of God? Hmm...not sure. Here is my main problem...who has no beginning or end of days except for God himself? But, we know God isn't a man, and Melchizedek seems to be just that. And no man can have no beginning or end of days...so, that must not be what the text means. I must mean that we have no record of his birth or death. Of course, this would seem to rule out the Jewish thought of him being Shem.

MGer
Matt. 5:17-19.
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#4
Yeah the simple way to look at it is that if he has no beginning nor end of days, he can be none other than God. Jesus was a man too, yet God. Surely, God can appear to us in manly form. Jesus was even more special, because He was actually BORN as a man.

I might have a wrong idea of Melchizedek, but I find it a bit suspicious, that so little is known of him, no parents, no age etc... Surely his kingdom would have such records, and the Bible says something like that they don't exist? Why? <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> I think the Peshitta is saying (idiomatically) that he had no parents and no neginning or end. If this is true, he MUST be God. We'll need an expert opinion on this figurative speech.

Unfortunately, (I don't want to cause trouble here, just mentioning a possibility) a lot of Aramaic experts are from the COE who believe in the trinity... So maybe some bias will be involved. I often use Melchizedek as one of my examples how God can have many manifestations. Otherwise, our trinity would have 4, with Melchizedek, 5 with Burning Bush, 6 with pillar of cloud, etc etc etc. So maybe an atheist Aramaic expert would help? But they wouldn't give a toss anyway right? Such is life! <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->
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#5
Plus... this man was so GREAT. WHo on earth would be greater than Abraham in his time?
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#6
Sorry, one more... Look how cool this is. No Levitical priesthood was there at that time... so maybe Abraham was paying tithes directly to God. How cool is that?!?!
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#7
I appreciate your thoughts. I don't see how it can be God though. It seems pretty clear to me that it is just dealing with record of his birth or death...not the actual non-existance of it. AND, he is one like the Son of God...and LATER the Son of God came and was "according to his order."

It just seems like a huge stretch to say it is God..or the Messiah. Maybe my mind will change on that, but for now it seem more logical to see him as a mysterious man who was an example for the later Messiah Y'shua who was to come.

I actually find Pauls arguments in this chapter to be a little confusing. But, I find that with a lot of his writings...even though I think I understand the 'gist' of what he is saying.

MGer
Matt. 5:17-19.
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No worries, each to his own <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
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