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The Messiah's Name
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Thirdwoe Wrote:I understand the points you have been trying to make. But you are going to have to be honest, that neither you, nor anyone alive on earth today knows what language Gabriel spoke to our Messiah's Mother on that day, instructing her what to name M?shikha. It may have been Aramaic for all you know...

In the book of ZecharYahu [6:9-13], YHWH states:
And the word of YHWH came unto me, saying, Take of them of the captivity, even of Chelday, of TobiYahu, and of JedaYah, which are come from Babel, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of JoshiYahu the son of ZephanYahu; Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of YEHOSHUA the son of Yehozadek, the high priest; And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaks YHWH of Hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of YHWH: Even he shall build the temple of YHWH; and he shall bear the Splendor, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Chuck, is this or is it not YHWH our Eloheem foretelling of His Anointed One (a.k.a. - YHWH only begotten Son)?

Chuck, is YHWH a lier?

Chuck, if YHWH foretold of His Anointed One as Yehoshua would it not come true just as YHWH foretold?

Chuck, could GabreeAil have dared to tell The Anointed One's mom anything other than what YHWH had already set forth in His Word?


Thirdwoe Wrote:and you can guess that it was instead Hebrew, and was spelled and sounded like Yehoshua...but it's only a guess.
Chuck, should I take it you are saying that we can not take YHWH literally when He Prophecies something in His Word.

Chuck, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Masoretic Texts, as well as many other Old Covenant Texts attest that YHWH called His Anointed One Yehoshua.


Thirdwoe Wrote:It could be true, and if it were, it wouldn't bother me an inch?BUT the big problem we have, is that we do not have any Hebrew NT's to look at, which can be said to be copies of an original Hebrew NT. Did we lose or destroy YHWH's Holy Written Word? I don't believe so, Will. Do you?

Chuck, it is a FACT of history that Hebrew priest burn (i.e.-destroyed) many of the ReNewed Covenant Texts. It reported that they were to cut out the Divine Name of YHWH out of these Texts before they burned them. It is also attested to in history that the Catholic Church sought out and destroyed many more copies. So, Chuck, no I do not believe that YHWH has preserved His Inspired Autographs in the texts we have to date, yet they might be hidden in the Catholic Church Library, or perhaps in clay jars in a cave(s) some where.


Thirdwoe Wrote:What we do have is The Aramaic Scriptures, and The Greek and The Latin versions. ... The Eastern Aramaic Scriptures, which YHWH has seen fit to preserve all these centuries under incredible circumstances, ...

Chuck, these that we have today are not the original copies by no means. And it could very well be, just as with other language translation, that the 5th century scribes of the Eastern Peshitta could have used their so-called modernized form (i.e. - misnomer) instead of what was in the text they were supposedly coping. Perhaps the 5th century scribes copied this name exactly as it was in the text they copied but what about the scribes before them? could it be that earlier scribes had already tried to modernize this name? Even between the Eastern Aramaic Peshitta Texts we have to day that names are spelled differently from one scribes hand unto another. Few copies have been exact when it came to spelling names. And translations have been even farther off as far as preserving the original names sounds when it came to transcribing transliterations of appellations.


Thirdwoe Wrote:This is only spelling and sound...it is STILL the same Holy Name, even though it looks different and sounds different...like STEVEN & STEPHEN...Same name...just looks and sounds different.

Stephen is a misnomer if you call some one that that's name is Steven, and Steven is a misnomer if you call one that's name is Stephen. So even though they have a common denominator no they are not the same name by any means.


Thirdwoe Wrote:So, in all the main language translations Greek/Latin/English, which YHWH saw fit to send His Message of salvation out in for these last 2000 years, to the most people?it has been THE NAME of The our Master from The Aramaic form of YESHU, now, long eee, silent ayin, through the Greek IESOVS, then the Latin IESU, then the English IESVS...and then the modern form, it?s JESUS!

So...His Name has stayed pretty much the same, Will, as it went through three totally different languages, in a transliterated form.

Chuck, (if one does an honest assessment) a misnomer from it's conception is still a misnomer 2000 years down the road.


Thirdwoe Wrote:If YHWH wanted His Name to come to the entire world as YEHOSHUA...then, I believe we would have seen that happen, Will, but not a shred of evidence that this was the case can be seen?

Well, Chuck, only if one keeps denying ZecharYahu 6:9-13 is THE INFALLIBLE WORD OF YHWH.


Thirdwoe Wrote:I don?t have one problem with the Name of JESUS, in English?Nor should you.
Chuck, I do have one problem with Jesus (pronounced - JEE-zuhs), (all word games aside)
the fact that it is a misnomer!

Chuck, as I can see that neither of us are gaining ground convincing the other here, so can we now simply agree to disagree and let it go at that. This does not mean that you or I can not continue to share our thoughts upon this matter with others, just no longer address one another upon this subject. Brother Chuck, what say you - can we give each other over to the Spirit of YHWH to deal with us separately in this matter from here on out?
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Re: The Messiah's Name - by Sarah - 02-12-2013, 02:48 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-12-2013, 04:36 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by ScorpioSniper2 - 02-13-2013, 04:11 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-13-2013, 06:44 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-13-2013, 07:41 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-14-2013, 08:38 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Sarah - 02-24-2013, 04:43 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by ScorpioSniper2 - 02-24-2013, 07:14 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by SteveCaruso - 02-24-2013, 09:01 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-24-2013, 11:20 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by SteveCaruso - 02-25-2013, 03:43 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-25-2013, 07:36 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-25-2013, 10:02 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-25-2013, 11:43 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-25-2013, 05:01 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by SteveCaruso - 02-25-2013, 06:49 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by SteveCaruso - 02-25-2013, 07:05 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-25-2013, 07:35 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-26-2013, 07:33 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-26-2013, 09:00 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-27-2013, 04:26 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-27-2013, 07:35 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-28-2013, 06:22 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by distazo - 02-28-2013, 07:06 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-28-2013, 08:01 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 02-28-2013, 09:22 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-28-2013, 09:52 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by distazo - 02-28-2013, 10:21 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by distazo - 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-28-2013, 10:57 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 02-28-2013, 07:44 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by ScorpioSniper2 - 02-28-2013, 09:20 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 03-01-2013, 12:25 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 03-01-2013, 07:35 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 03-01-2013, 08:08 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 03-01-2013, 04:44 PM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Sarah - 03-02-2013, 02:37 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 03-02-2013, 05:16 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 03-02-2013, 06:02 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 03-02-2013, 06:47 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 03-02-2013, 08:37 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by The Texas RAT - 03-02-2013, 09:27 AM
Re: The Messiah's Name - by Thirdwoe - 03-02-2013, 12:14 PM

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