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The Age of the Peshitta
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Still chipping away when I have the odd hour to spare. :-)

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konway87 Wrote:Peshitta Aramaic is Middle Aramaic (which is usually dated from 200 BC to 130 AD for Israeli Jews while for Arameans from 200 BC to 200 AD).

Middle Aramaic starts in the 3rd century AD, not 200 BC.

konway87 Wrote:Caruso is trying to claim that Peshitta Aramaic is Late Aramaic (which evolved in 4th century) which doesn't make any sense considering the fact that Codex Sinaiticus (330-360 AD from mid-4th century AD) and Codex Vaticanus (early 4th century AD) are translations of Peshitta Aramaic. [...]

/Reshyana/ means "reproach" or "indictment." The reading "blameless" comes only from the circumlocution /d-la reshyana/ ("without reproach"). The /reshe'a/vs./reshyana/ argument does not work.

Additionally, I'm not convinced by the argument that this quirk of the Peshitta that is not shared with Sinaiticus and Vaticanus proves that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are translated from the Peshitta. Their other readings simply don't match up.

konway87 Wrote:On the top of that, Khabouris Manuscript is a copy of manuscript which can date as early as 2nd century AD.

The interpretation of the colophon from the Khabouris codex is suspect. It is worn and severely damaged damaged and difficult to make out. No one has actually produced a transcription of it to date due to this difficulty, but seem to intrinsically trust the interpretation of Norman Yonan. Where Yonan (a teller of fantastical tales who was trying to hype and sell the codex to the tune of $1.5 million in 1955) insisted it read 165 AD, after his death this was questioned thoroughly. Most conventional scholars reject this interpretation completely.

Quote:"The Society of Biblical Literature at its annual meeting in New York City on December 28?30, 1955, wishes to go on record as opposing some of the publicity attending the efforts currently being made to raise by popular subscription $1,500,000 for the purchase of the so-called Yonan Codex. This codex is a manuscript of the Syriac New Testament which is reported to be ?the oldest surviving complete New Testament written in Syriac-Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus? (Washington Evening Star, March 25, 1955).

According to members of our Society who have examined the manuscript, the Yonan Codex is a copy of the Syriac Peshitta, a version which was made from the Greek New Testament at about the beginning of the fifth century and which contains twenty-two of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. Edessene Syriac, the language of this version, differs considerably from the Palestine Aramaic used by Jesus more than four centuries earlier. About three hundred manuscripts of the Peshitta version are known to exist in the libraries of this country and Europe. Several of these are older than the Yonan Codex, which some of our members who are expert in Syriac palaeography date to the seventh or eighth century. According to certain members of the Society who have frequently arranged for the purchase of biblical manuscripts, a fair estimate of the value of a manuscript like the Yonan Codex is about $5,000."

What was instrumental to this declaration was that Yonan was using Dr. Bruce Metzger (of Princeton)'s name (and other scholars' names) in promotion of the codex to gain approval (from the then Governor of Virginia to Library of Congress officials) and Metzger was not aware of it. When he was made aware, he told Yonan to stop and he turned on him and Yonan sent lawyers after him to shut him up. He wanted his $1.5 million dollars, truth be damned.

konway87 Wrote:[...] to point out is Jewish Wars Six is written in Estrangela script while the scribe writes in swadaya & serto scripts for the last part of Peshitta Tanakh in Codex Ambrosianus.

That is irrelevant as the form of Estrangela handwriting used in this copy of Josephus is from the 11th century at the earliest (or so say the experts who have dedicated their lives to handwriting analysis; I'd tend to trust them).

konway87 Wrote:With Caruso, I feel that he lives in a fantasy world where Santa Claus really exists. It is when you tell a young child that Santa Claus doesn't exist, he/she wouldn't accept it. That is the case with him. He just can't differentiate between his fantasy and reality.

Will you please stop referring to me in the 3rd person? I've tried to afford you courtesy, and I've seen that you've furiously edited your posts several times to little effect, but please, enough is enough. I understand that you're zealous in your position, but that's no excuse for this exercise in impropriety. Mockery makes a weak argument.

Will respond to more when I have another hour to spare.
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The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-20-2013, 10:21 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-21-2013, 01:09 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-21-2013, 02:31 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-21-2013, 04:33 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-21-2013, 04:45 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-21-2013, 05:06 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-21-2013, 05:29 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-21-2013, 05:38 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-21-2013, 06:20 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-21-2013, 06:44 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-21-2013, 02:05 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-21-2013, 04:57 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-21-2013, 07:15 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-23-2013, 11:49 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-23-2013, 08:31 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-24-2013, 11:34 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-24-2013, 04:19 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-24-2013, 08:06 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Charles Wilson - 11-24-2013, 08:11 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-24-2013, 09:07 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-24-2013, 09:18 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-24-2013, 09:19 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 01:03 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 01:17 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 01:55 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 02:03 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 02:14 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 02:18 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 02:32 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 02:39 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 03:37 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 03:58 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2013, 05:39 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 06:10 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2013, 06:18 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-25-2013, 08:30 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-25-2013, 09:55 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 04:39 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2013, 04:58 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 05:07 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-25-2013, 05:19 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-25-2013, 07:59 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-25-2013, 10:49 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-25-2013, 11:09 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-25-2013, 11:11 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2013, 11:24 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2013, 03:54 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-26-2013, 04:32 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2013, 06:24 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-26-2013, 06:39 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-26-2013, 06:55 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-26-2013, 08:30 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-26-2013, 01:39 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-26-2013, 07:20 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-26-2013, 07:37 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-26-2013, 07:56 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Stephen Silver - 11-26-2013, 08:31 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-26-2013, 08:37 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-26-2013, 09:03 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2013, 09:04 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-26-2013, 09:05 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-26-2013, 09:17 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Stephen Silver - 11-26-2013, 09:27 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-26-2013, 09:31 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-27-2013, 06:20 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-27-2013, 08:42 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-27-2013, 02:12 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-27-2013, 07:54 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-27-2013, 09:05 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-27-2013, 10:05 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-27-2013, 10:58 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 12:07 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 12:16 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 12:25 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 12:45 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 01:03 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 01:08 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 01:20 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 01:21 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 01:30 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 01:34 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 01:43 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 01:44 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 01:52 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 02:18 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 02:27 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 02:41 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 02:47 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 02:49 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 02:59 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 03:02 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 03:03 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 03:12 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 03:25 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 03:28 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 03:34 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 03:47 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 03:53 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 03:56 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 03:58 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 04:01 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 04:02 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 04:05 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 04:59 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by konway87 - 11-28-2013, 05:28 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by SteveCaruso - 11-28-2013, 05:57 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 11-28-2013, 06:59 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-28-2013, 07:36 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Stephen Silver - 11-28-2013, 07:47 AM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 03:31 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Charles Wilson - 11-28-2013, 06:19 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-28-2013, 06:58 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2013, 07:38 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 08:12 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2013, 11:34 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by distazo - 11-29-2013, 12:18 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-29-2013, 03:19 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-29-2013, 05:00 PM
Re: The Age of the Peshitta - by memradya - 11-29-2013, 07:19 PM

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