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Early Christian view of the Holy Trinity
#31
How are you doing today, Shamasha?

Your position is understood. The matter has been clarified. No further investigation will be made.

Arkady. Russia.
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#32
I guess you guys are going to have to find out the truth the hard way. It seems to be the only way you know.

Arkady.
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#33
Hi Arkady,

Have you read this before? It is not very long, but an awesome work of God's Love and Grace.

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Blessings,
Chuck
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#34
Thirdwoe Wrote:Have you read this before? It is not very long, but an awesome work of God's Love and Grace.

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I just love you guys but not in the way I would.

Arkady. Russia.
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#35
Quote:I just love you guys but not in the way I would.

Yes Arkady...Love God's Sons and Daughters with God's Love...the emotional kind is not pure enough. <!-- s:inlove: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/inlove.gif" alt=":inlove:" title="In Love" /><!-- s:inlove: -->

Also, I do not condemn Bishop Cryil today, but forgive him rather for his past failings. And even the greatest Saints of God, both denied Christ and persecuted His Holy Church, condemning and even causing the death of other dear Saint's of God. But, these also found God's Love and Grace, being forgiven by Him and their fellow Servants of God...their former actions not being held against them.

Shlama,
Chuck
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#36
Shlama Akhan Arkady,

I remember when the liturgical books we use condemned people like Bishop Cyril. We have removed these condemnations for many years now. No one asked us to do it, we simply felt like it was the right thing to do. It was a unilateral decision made in love and not as a gesture or a recommendation that you reciprocate.

Leave the past in the past where it belongs. Today and tomorrow your brothers are dying because they are stuck between Shias and Wahhabis, neither of whom care about or have even heard about Ephesus. Ephesus today has a Turkish name and has only mosques, because of our tendency to divide amongst ourselves. Love and Unity is more important.

+Shamasha
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#37
Shlama,


very engaging discussion going on here. much thanks to the relatively peaceful conversation.

my only thoughts: mercy shall be received in the measure it was given. may we keep this truth in the forefront of our minds when dealing with these subtle differences.



Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#38
Amen Jeremy,

This statement below comes from the Tenth Holy Synod of The Assyrian Church of the East, which took place in 2005...in which is seen the heart and spirit of the leaders of this ancient part of Christ's Body/Church.

"The fathers of the Church in the ecumenical councils, in particular the first ecumenical council of 325 A.D. and that of Constantinople of the year 381A.D. confirmed the symbol of faith of Nicea which became the foundation and summary teaching regarding the orthodoxy of the Christian faith. The orthodox faith in the Holy Trinity?Father, Son and Holy Spirit?of one God, one Essence and one Will.

Therefore, there are three qnome in one God?one might, authority and Lordship. The three qnome of the Godhead are equal in nature but distinct in attributes, that is, of Paternity, Generation and Procession. Therefore, according to the attributes, the Father is the one who 'gives birth,' and cannot be called the 'generated' nor the 'one who proceeds.' Also, the Son is the 'generated' and cannot be called the one 'who gives birth' nor the one 'who proceeds;' also, the Spirit 'proceeds'' and cannot be called the one 'who gives birth' nor the 'generated.'

Also, that Jesus Christ is born of the Virgin Mary and is acknowledged to have two natures, that is, true God and true man. This union of the two natures and two qnome is preserved in the inseparable union of the one Person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the Assyrian Church of the East?according to the apostolic faith and foundation rooted in the doctrine of the Apostles, preserved in the Gospel and apostolic succession and established in the Nicean symbol of faith?believes that the Church of Christ is apostolic and catholic and contains divers peoples and cultures, and is not limited to one particular nation.

Again, the Assyrian Church of the East believes that it is a part of the universal Church of Christ, which is universal and catholic, containing all peoples and nations of varying languages and cultures. This is, therefore, a confirmation of the command of Christ that his true disciples?born spiritually of water and the Spirit in the waters of holy Baptism and given the gift of adoption of sonship and made communicants in the living and holy Oblation of the Body and Blood of our Savior Jesus Christ?each member of the common body of the Church of Christ becomes one with Our Lord. Once we have become one with Our Lord, in like manner we all become one in the unique communion with Our Lord and heirs of his holy promises.

The Assyrian Church of the East reveres and confesses the priesthood and the rites and sacraments of every apostolic Church, as well as those that confess and revere the Nicean creed, even though there may be minute differences and distinct particularities that have arisen over the course of the 2,000-year history of Christendom on account of geographical, cultural and linguistic divergences.

Based upon this Evangelic foundation and doctrine?which are rooted in the teaching and command of Christ that promote genuine love among all the true believers who have been baptized in and put on Jesus Christ?the Assyrian Church of the East has always, does and will offer every spiritual service to every baptized Christian who is distant from his Mother Church, and will never coerce them to become her members."





Blessings,
Chuck
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#39
Arkady,

Saint Mary has appeared to not only our Saints, but to many of our members, including myself.
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#40
Brother Alan,

Can you relate your experiance of seeing the Blessed Virgin Mary? That is quite a statement there.

Also, you are correct that the term "Mother of God" or rather "Theotokos" which literally is "God-Bearer", rather than "Mother of God" does not appear in any Church Father's teaching in any writting that has come down to us during the 1st-3rd Centuries, until about the year 320-324 A.D. (early 4th Century), where we see it 1st being used by Bishop Archelaus of Caschar, in his book "The Acts of the Disputation with the Heresiarch Manes" 6.223, about 320 A.D., and by Bishop Alexander, Patriarch of Alexandria 6.296, about 324 A.D.

This term no doubt came to be used because of the Arian Heresy, which was raging during this time and these Bishops were leading the fight against the false teaching of Arius concerning Christ and His Divinity.

Shlama,
Chuck
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#41
Brother chuck,

After a dear relative of ours passed away of cancer, he came to me in a dream. This was when I was in the world, I asked him "why are you here, you're dead" then he smiled and said "although my body is gone, my soul lives on above" and when he finished saying this the blessed virgin through a piece of art work turned to me and smiled. First and last time that I have seen her in a dream.
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#42
You of the crooked faith! Maybe you take God to be double-faithed! Don't you hear what the Scripture tells you,

One Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)
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#43
I hope God forgives you and softens your hardened heart.

May God bless you.
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#44
Arkady,

Is Saint Isaac a heretic? Or is he a saint? Please choose.
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#45
Hi Arkady,

There is indeed One LORD=MARYAH/Master YHWH. And He is JESUS CHRIST, the Holy Son of The Father, who is both God & Man in One Person/Messiah. All those who have The Holy Spirit of Christ dwelling in them, are Saints in training. May God continue to mature all His Saints, until we all reach the full measure and stature of Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.

Shlama,
Chuck
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