09-19-2011, 12:14 AM
Hi Chuck,
The Aramaic text of my interlinear is exactly the 1905 Peshitta edition, with no intentional changes whatsoever by me. I have made a few corrections of errors in the
interlinear in a few places, usually omissions of a line, phrase or word. I think I have caught them all in the NT portion.
I never claimed my translation to be infallible; no translation can be infallible, so i don't know where that idea came from. I do believe the Peshitta and the Western five books are preserved word for word as they were originally written in Aramaic.
You say that "God has preserved His MESSAGE"; on what do you base that statement?
A message can be easily changed by dropping or changing one word, or even one letter. Do you think it is too difficult for God to preserve the words and letters of scripture? But how can he preserve the message without preserving the words and all the letters of those words? Simply because men made mistakes does not make it impossible to discern the original, especially when we have many manuscripts to compare.
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Deut. 11:18 ? Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
The above passage alone is a guarantee that God will preserve his words perfectly for every generation to come; otherwise the day would come when they could not be taught to the next generation, because no one would know what they are.
De 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
De 29:9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
If some words are lost, then we would have an excuse for not obeying them. People would say, "We are not sure what You said, O God, because the scribes lost some of the words."
Jos 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Every one of the 176 verses of Psalm 119, the longest chapter in the Bible, is about the word of God. I give a few verses here:
Ps 119:57 CHETH. Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Ps 119:139 My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.
This Psalm is composed of 22 acrostic sections of 8 verses each, one section for each letter of the Hebrew alphabet, starting with Aleph, with each section of 8 verses beginning with that letter, then Beth, Gimel, Daleth, etc..
And there are nine acrostic Psalms and eleven other acrostic scriptures, emphasizing the very letters of the words of God as inspired and preserved, and validating the original as divine.
The book of Esther, which has not one occurrence of the Name of YHWH, has four acrostics of The Name of YHWH; the first two occur as the first letters of each of four consecutive words- 1:20 (Memucan) & 5:4 (Esther) and the second pair occur as the last letters of four consecutive words- 5:13 (Haman) & 7:7 (the author).
The second & fourth are a pair, spelling the Name backward, and the 1st & 3rd are a pair, spelling it forward (right to left in Hebrew).
1st and 3rd are backward and are spoken by Gentiles; the 2nd and 4th are forward and spoken by Israelites.
Bullinger has this information in his Companion Bible in appendix 60, from the Massorah notes of Esther. Some Hebrew manuscripts actually display the acrostic letters in majuscule (enlarged) letters so that they stand out. There are other ways to pair up these acrostics also. Then there is another acrostic in Esther 7:5 of AHIaH (I AM), also highlighted in some mss., using the final letters and spelled backwards.
Psalms 119:140 ? Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
A pure Scripture inspires the heart with love and awe; a corrupt and uncertain Bible does not, but breeds contempt.
160 ? Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
161 ? SCHIN. Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.
162 ? I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.
163 ? I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.
164 ? Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments.
165 ? Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
His word is perfect and sure:
Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Isa 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
1Pe 1:25 (MUR) but the word of our God abideth for ever: and this is the word that is announced to you.
Matthew 5:17-19
17 ? Do not suppose that I have come to subvert the law or the prophets: I have come not to subvert, but to fulfill.
For verily I say to you, that until heaven and earth shall pass away, one iota or one letter shall not pass from the law, until all shall be fulfilled.
19 Therefore whoever shall break one of these small commands and shall so inculcate on the children of men, shall be called little in the kingdom of heaven: but every one that shall do and teach them, shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Each letter of the word of God is preserved, according to our Lord. Some may object that he refers only to the Law in this regard, but the context requires that the Prophets be included, as he mentions them also in v. 17, and He uses the term, "the Law" -"namusa" for the Psalms, in John 10:34 & John 15:25. This covers all the Hebrew Scriptures, then-the Law, The Prophets and the Psalms- or Writings.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away; but my words shall not pass away.
Yeshua assures us of the perfect eternal preservation of the letters and words of Scripture in the above references, as does God through the Prophets David and Isaiah.
He did not promise the message will be preserved; He promised that the words and letters will be preserved.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore ye do not hear, because ye are not of God.
Joh 12:47 And whoever shall hear my words, and not observe them, I judge him not; for I did not come to judge the world, but to vivify the world.
Joh 12:48 Whoever rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, there is one to judge him; the word which I speak, will judge him, at the last day.
Now, beloved, this second epistle I write to you- these things by which I awaken your pure minds by memory, 2. That you may remember the words that were spoken before by the holy Prophets and the commandments of our Lord and our Savior, which were through the Apostles -2 Peter 3:2
Jude 1:17 But do ye, my beloved, remember the words which were before spoken by the legates of our Lord Jesus the Messiah;
Re 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it; for the time is near.
Re 17:17 For God hath put into their hearts, to do his pleasure, and to execute one purpose, and to give their kingdom to the beast of prey, until these words of God shall be fulfilled.
Re 19:9 And he said to me, Write; Blessed are they who are called to the supper of the marriage feast of the Lamb. And he said to me, These my sayings are the true words of God.
Re 19:16 And he hath upon his vesture and upon his thigh the words written: King of kings, and Lord of lords.
Re 21:5 And He who sat on the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And he said: Write; because these are the faithful and true words of God.
Re 22:6 And he said to me: These words are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the spirit of the prophets, hath sent me, his angel, to show unto his servants the things that must soon occur.
Re 22:7 And, lo, I come quickly: Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.
Re 22:9 And he said to me: See, thou do it not: I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them that observe the words of this book. Worship God.
Re 22:10 And he said to me: Seal not the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is near.
Re 22:18 I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, that if any one shall add to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.
Re 22:19 And if any one shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the tree of life, and from the holy city, which are described in this book.
The words are important, and therefore God preserves them as originally written. Since the original words are written by The Spirit of God (see 2 Tim. 3:16 in Peshitta), the same words must be preserved in order to preserve the message, and in order to preserve the words, the letters of those words must also be preserved; otherwise there will be changes in the words, phrases, clauses, sentences, verses and doctrine. It would be unavoidable.
Speaking of textual preservation, what problems do you find in the Eastern Peshitta text?
Are you saying that Peter wrote 1st Peter in Aramaic and 2nd Peter in Greek? We know that 2nd Peter was written to the same people as was 1st Peter (see 2 Peter 3:1). Did John write 1st John in Aramaic and 2nd & 3rd John in Greek, and also Revelation in Greek? Did Jude, the brother of Yeshua, write his epistle in Greek? It is fairly easy to demonstrate that these epistles and Revelation in Greek are translations of the 1905 edition's Aramaic text.
The Greek of Revelation is especially poor, and it is full of semiticisms and semitic syntax, as is the Greek of the rest of the NT. Do you read Greek? Have you read these books in Greek?
The Aramaic of the Crawford ms., on the other hand, is excellent Aramaic and is very like the Peshitta NT, idiomatically, grammatically, stylistically and vocabulary wise, according to John Gwynn, in his book, The Apocalypse of St. John, in which he published the Crawford edition of Revelation with a Greek translation of it, comparisons with the Harklean version, variants in Greek texts, and descriptions of the manuscripts used.
A lot of misinformation has been posted about these books, the Crawford ms. (which actually contains all 27 NT books and an Eastern Peshitta text in the Gospels and Epistles), the Harklean, and the mss. and text of the Western four epistles. People really need to study Gwynn's two books and editions of these scripture books.
We also need a consistent and defensible position on the New Testament. The only reasonable, consistent and coherent position is that the NT was written in Aramaic and that it is preserved intact in the Peshitta canon and in the 21 so-called Western Aramaic manuscripts which were collated to produce the Western five section of the 1905 Peshitta edition.
I have not read your modified statement yet, so please forgive me if I have misconstrued your present position.
All scripture that was written by the Spirit, is profitable for instruction, and for confutation, and for correction, and for erudition in righteousness; 2 Tim. 3:16
Inspiration is not a good word to describe the origin of Scripture. Scripture itself here tells us that The Spirit wrote Scripture, so it was not a matter of putting thoughts into a man's mind and that man writing those thoughts down in his own words, but it was God writing the words with a man's hand, as in Daniel 5:5.
Scripture is the writing of God, as were the ten commandments.
"Every word of God is pure." As such, every word God writes is holy and to be revered in holy awe.
De 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mt 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
This is how we determine the original words.
Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Every book of Scripture is a "Theograph"- "God writing"
Blessings in our Savior and God Yeshua,
Dave
The Aramaic text of my interlinear is exactly the 1905 Peshitta edition, with no intentional changes whatsoever by me. I have made a few corrections of errors in the
interlinear in a few places, usually omissions of a line, phrase or word. I think I have caught them all in the NT portion.
I never claimed my translation to be infallible; no translation can be infallible, so i don't know where that idea came from. I do believe the Peshitta and the Western five books are preserved word for word as they were originally written in Aramaic.
You say that "God has preserved His MESSAGE"; on what do you base that statement?
A message can be easily changed by dropping or changing one word, or even one letter. Do you think it is too difficult for God to preserve the words and letters of scripture? But how can he preserve the message without preserving the words and all the letters of those words? Simply because men made mistakes does not make it impossible to discern the original, especially when we have many manuscripts to compare.
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Deut. 11:18 ? Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
The above passage alone is a guarantee that God will preserve his words perfectly for every generation to come; otherwise the day would come when they could not be taught to the next generation, because no one would know what they are.
De 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
De 29:9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
If some words are lost, then we would have an excuse for not obeying them. People would say, "We are not sure what You said, O God, because the scribes lost some of the words."
Jos 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Every one of the 176 verses of Psalm 119, the longest chapter in the Bible, is about the word of God. I give a few verses here:
Ps 119:57 CHETH. Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Ps 119:139 My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.
This Psalm is composed of 22 acrostic sections of 8 verses each, one section for each letter of the Hebrew alphabet, starting with Aleph, with each section of 8 verses beginning with that letter, then Beth, Gimel, Daleth, etc..
And there are nine acrostic Psalms and eleven other acrostic scriptures, emphasizing the very letters of the words of God as inspired and preserved, and validating the original as divine.
The book of Esther, which has not one occurrence of the Name of YHWH, has four acrostics of The Name of YHWH; the first two occur as the first letters of each of four consecutive words- 1:20 (Memucan) & 5:4 (Esther) and the second pair occur as the last letters of four consecutive words- 5:13 (Haman) & 7:7 (the author).
The second & fourth are a pair, spelling the Name backward, and the 1st & 3rd are a pair, spelling it forward (right to left in Hebrew).
1st and 3rd are backward and are spoken by Gentiles; the 2nd and 4th are forward and spoken by Israelites.
Bullinger has this information in his Companion Bible in appendix 60, from the Massorah notes of Esther. Some Hebrew manuscripts actually display the acrostic letters in majuscule (enlarged) letters so that they stand out. There are other ways to pair up these acrostics also. Then there is another acrostic in Esther 7:5 of AHIaH (I AM), also highlighted in some mss., using the final letters and spelled backwards.
Psalms 119:140 ? Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
A pure Scripture inspires the heart with love and awe; a corrupt and uncertain Bible does not, but breeds contempt.
160 ? Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
161 ? SCHIN. Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.
162 ? I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.
163 ? I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.
164 ? Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments.
165 ? Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
His word is perfect and sure:
Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Isa 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
1Pe 1:25 (MUR) but the word of our God abideth for ever: and this is the word that is announced to you.
Matthew 5:17-19
17 ? Do not suppose that I have come to subvert the law or the prophets: I have come not to subvert, but to fulfill.
For verily I say to you, that until heaven and earth shall pass away, one iota or one letter shall not pass from the law, until all shall be fulfilled.
19 Therefore whoever shall break one of these small commands and shall so inculcate on the children of men, shall be called little in the kingdom of heaven: but every one that shall do and teach them, shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Each letter of the word of God is preserved, according to our Lord. Some may object that he refers only to the Law in this regard, but the context requires that the Prophets be included, as he mentions them also in v. 17, and He uses the term, "the Law" -"namusa" for the Psalms, in John 10:34 & John 15:25. This covers all the Hebrew Scriptures, then-the Law, The Prophets and the Psalms- or Writings.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away; but my words shall not pass away.
Yeshua assures us of the perfect eternal preservation of the letters and words of Scripture in the above references, as does God through the Prophets David and Isaiah.
He did not promise the message will be preserved; He promised that the words and letters will be preserved.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore ye do not hear, because ye are not of God.
Joh 12:47 And whoever shall hear my words, and not observe them, I judge him not; for I did not come to judge the world, but to vivify the world.
Joh 12:48 Whoever rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, there is one to judge him; the word which I speak, will judge him, at the last day.
Now, beloved, this second epistle I write to you- these things by which I awaken your pure minds by memory, 2. That you may remember the words that were spoken before by the holy Prophets and the commandments of our Lord and our Savior, which were through the Apostles -2 Peter 3:2
Jude 1:17 But do ye, my beloved, remember the words which were before spoken by the legates of our Lord Jesus the Messiah;
Re 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it; for the time is near.
Re 17:17 For God hath put into their hearts, to do his pleasure, and to execute one purpose, and to give their kingdom to the beast of prey, until these words of God shall be fulfilled.
Re 19:9 And he said to me, Write; Blessed are they who are called to the supper of the marriage feast of the Lamb. And he said to me, These my sayings are the true words of God.
Re 19:16 And he hath upon his vesture and upon his thigh the words written: King of kings, and Lord of lords.
Re 21:5 And He who sat on the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And he said: Write; because these are the faithful and true words of God.
Re 22:6 And he said to me: These words are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the spirit of the prophets, hath sent me, his angel, to show unto his servants the things that must soon occur.
Re 22:7 And, lo, I come quickly: Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.
Re 22:9 And he said to me: See, thou do it not: I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them that observe the words of this book. Worship God.
Re 22:10 And he said to me: Seal not the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is near.
Re 22:18 I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, that if any one shall add to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.
Re 22:19 And if any one shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the tree of life, and from the holy city, which are described in this book.
The words are important, and therefore God preserves them as originally written. Since the original words are written by The Spirit of God (see 2 Tim. 3:16 in Peshitta), the same words must be preserved in order to preserve the message, and in order to preserve the words, the letters of those words must also be preserved; otherwise there will be changes in the words, phrases, clauses, sentences, verses and doctrine. It would be unavoidable.
Speaking of textual preservation, what problems do you find in the Eastern Peshitta text?
Are you saying that Peter wrote 1st Peter in Aramaic and 2nd Peter in Greek? We know that 2nd Peter was written to the same people as was 1st Peter (see 2 Peter 3:1). Did John write 1st John in Aramaic and 2nd & 3rd John in Greek, and also Revelation in Greek? Did Jude, the brother of Yeshua, write his epistle in Greek? It is fairly easy to demonstrate that these epistles and Revelation in Greek are translations of the 1905 edition's Aramaic text.
The Greek of Revelation is especially poor, and it is full of semiticisms and semitic syntax, as is the Greek of the rest of the NT. Do you read Greek? Have you read these books in Greek?
The Aramaic of the Crawford ms., on the other hand, is excellent Aramaic and is very like the Peshitta NT, idiomatically, grammatically, stylistically and vocabulary wise, according to John Gwynn, in his book, The Apocalypse of St. John, in which he published the Crawford edition of Revelation with a Greek translation of it, comparisons with the Harklean version, variants in Greek texts, and descriptions of the manuscripts used.
A lot of misinformation has been posted about these books, the Crawford ms. (which actually contains all 27 NT books and an Eastern Peshitta text in the Gospels and Epistles), the Harklean, and the mss. and text of the Western four epistles. People really need to study Gwynn's two books and editions of these scripture books.
We also need a consistent and defensible position on the New Testament. The only reasonable, consistent and coherent position is that the NT was written in Aramaic and that it is preserved intact in the Peshitta canon and in the 21 so-called Western Aramaic manuscripts which were collated to produce the Western five section of the 1905 Peshitta edition.
I have not read your modified statement yet, so please forgive me if I have misconstrued your present position.
All scripture that was written by the Spirit, is profitable for instruction, and for confutation, and for correction, and for erudition in righteousness; 2 Tim. 3:16
Inspiration is not a good word to describe the origin of Scripture. Scripture itself here tells us that The Spirit wrote Scripture, so it was not a matter of putting thoughts into a man's mind and that man writing those thoughts down in his own words, but it was God writing the words with a man's hand, as in Daniel 5:5.
Scripture is the writing of God, as were the ten commandments.
"Every word of God is pure." As such, every word God writes is holy and to be revered in holy awe.
De 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mt 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
This is how we determine the original words.
Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Every book of Scripture is a "Theograph"- "God writing"
Blessings in our Savior and God Yeshua,
Dave
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