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'3 days and 3 nights' idiom
#1
A Hebrew teacher I was interacting with some time ago suggested that '3 days and 3 nights' was an idiom. As such it didn't necessarily mean exactly 3 days and 3 nights. It could also be a little more or a little less than that. A possible English paraphrase: "for days on end".

Mathew 12:40 paraphrased would then read:
'For as Jonah was for days on end in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be for days in the heart of the earth.'

Question: Can '3 days and 3 nights' be understood as an idiom? Anybody found instances where it was clear that '3 days and 3 nights' was and idiom?
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#2
These explanations are one of the ways of getting the scriptures understandable.

However, I take it very literal. He was 3 nights and 3 days death and the explanation that he died on friday afternoon and got resurrected at saturday on sunday night is tradition, but not biblical.

On this forum, long threads explain that Yeshu died on wednesday because of a 'great shabbat day' which caused that week to have 2 shabbaths, not 1.
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#3
Check the thread "Good Wednesday or Good Friday."
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#4
The idiom which the Hebrew teacher had in mind can be found in Exodus 4:10, 5:7 - kithmol shilshom. It literally means 'as-yesterday, third-day.' It's translated in the AV as 'as heretofore,' and that's its general meaning. The word meaning 'third-day' is a combination of its two component words, namely shalosh + yom (see Strong's Hebrew 8032).
The thing being attempted here is the application of this same idiom to Matthew 12:40 and similar verses. But instead of saying in these verses 'as-tomorrow, third-day,' it says 'for three days and three nights' ('for' and not 'as'), so the idiom does not exactly apply here. As far as I know, the idiom was only ever used to refer to the past. And the wording of the idiom is not mirrored in these verses, so it's a very far stretch to apply this idiom to this case.
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#6
Shlama,


sorry, but i'm not buying this interpretation at all. it comes straight from Moshe Koniuchowsky, the false teacher himself, which some here have knowledge of already. if you aren't aware of the origins of the teaching you espouse you may want to look into them. every believer who reads needs beware that this is fruit from one of "Hebraic Christianity's" most popular false teachers.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#8
:

Will,

What do you say is of "Pagan" origin concerning the Doctrines and Practices of The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of The East?

I would be interested to hear your answer. On another thread...or in private to me please.
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#9
The Texas RAT Wrote:Jeremy,

I have no knowledge of this "Moshe Koniuchowsky" you speak of nor any of his teachings. Everything I espoused here I had deduced from weighing all that has been given us in the Scriptures (OT & NT a like). <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->


Shlama,


if you say you don't, then okay, may it be as you've said. i just find it very amazing that you hit all his major points concerning that particular topic... but if you claim to truly have come upon it yourself, then i'll drop that particular subject. as it stands, i would still warn you in advance of MK's teachings, as they are destructive to families and faiths.

in reference to your other points, i will be glad to discuss some with you via your pm on this site, if you wish. some of those issues have been discussed here before, and it is not my goal to crowd this forum with further detailed posts about all of it. i'd rather save that for us who may be interested in it, via pm or email. i'll contact you that way if you don't mind, but tonight i'm turning in. will try to get back to you on Shabbat. be well!


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#11
Which Cult group was that Distazo?

Also you said: "On this forum, long threads explain that Yeshu died on wednesday because of a 'great shabbat day' which caused that week to have 2 shabbaths, not 1."

Have you looked to see which A.D. Year can work with all the Sciptures that pertain to Christ time on earth and in which He must have been crucified?

Thanks,
Chuck
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#12
Hello,
first off, Jeremy,
I will take heed of your warning and thank you for it, awmane.
I must say in order for one to claim a literal 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb form the 4th day of the week [a.k.a.: Woden?-day] to the seventh day of the week [a.k.a.: Satyrn?-day] either the Wave Offering was to be done on the day after the weekly Shabbawth and not the 16th or one would have to ignore the Feast of Yahuwah which where to be a Shadow of The One to Come, i.e. - Yahu-Shuah HaMoshiach. As far as discussing this further else where - copy the URL to the post you deem most proper and paste it here (so others can follow if they may), and I will go there.

secondly, distazo,
I assure you that I am not associated with any cult . I am associated only with the Kingdom in which Yahu-Shuah instigated during His Ministry. I consider myself to be "a brother in the way of The Nadzorahyos [Nazarene]".
Disclaimer: it does not matter if a group exist that claims this name (that has doctrines other than that taught from Yahu-Shuah HaMoshiach or His Apostles) I claim this title (as an individual seeking only the doctrines that were given once and for all by Yahu-Shuah HaMoshiach and His Apostles only) as it can be proven by The Scriptures, while most other titles are of men. Note: the title ?Assembly/Congregation of Yahuwah? is also based within Scripture and therefore is a viable title for Yahuwah' children. This I am taught to say by Yahu-Shuah HaMoshiach (my bother) and His Limmud my brothers through Yahu-Shuah HaMoshiach), not any cult. These are my word and with them I stand.

last but by no means least (as he who is last shall be first), Chuck,
I was raised as a FIRST BAPTIST and have since learned that their doctrines and theologies do not line up with the Scriptures so I am adjusting to what the Scriptures tell us and distancing myself from the doctrines and theologies which are not True. So far I learned that CHRISTOS-MASS [a.k.a. -Christmas], EASTER (with it' bunny rabbits, eggs and all), Sun?-day whorship on the first day of the week in replacement of the True Shabbawth which lies upon the seventh day of the week, and that Grace has trashed the Instructions (a.k.a.: Torah) of our Heavenly Father Yahuwah are all false doctrines of men and therefore Pagan (i.e. - not of Ail Shaddai Yahuwah Ailoheem Adonai) in origin. Also the practice of bringing our Heavenly Father' Name to not by replacing It in the Scriptures and by refusing to praise and worship our Heavenly Father by His Name as well. Plus as Beelzebub sought to change times and Law from that of Yahuwah? I believe that it is also a sin to use the pagan calendar with all of the pagan ail? names denoting both months and days therein, as this is in direct conflict with our Heavenly Father? will [see: Shemoth 23:13]. As far as the "The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of The East" I am not familiar with this Sect and at this moment can not in all good conscience speak thereof yeah or neigh. If you would like to discuss it via private message feel free, or perhaps point me in the direction of a good website, as I wish to be more noble in that I hear and then go see if what is taught is true to the Word of Yahuwah, awmane.
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Thirdwoe Wrote:Which Cult group was that Distazo?

Also you said: "On this forum, long threads explain that Yeshu died on wednesday because of a 'great shabbat day' which caused that week to have 2 shabbaths, not 1."

Have you looked to see which A.D. Year can work with all the Sciptures that pertain to Christ time on earth and in which He must have been crucified?

Thanks,
Chuck

That was the Watchtower cult.
THey present themselves as being Christians while effectively they do only allow somebody to join the group until their 'governing body' is accepted as the only mediator/organisation between men and God.

Astronomically, this would have been the year 27 AD. However, I'm not quite convinced what would be the truth in this.

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#14
Burning One pointed out to me (in a private message) Markos (Mark) 8:31 and 9:31. These I had over looked before I made my earlier comments. He also pointed out the fact that in Beresheeth (Genesis) 6:3 and 7:4 are clear instances where Yahuwah was prophesying of the coming Flood, and in them He speaks of days that are literal 24-hour periods, not equaling years. Of course I had over looked this as well. My Bad! <!-- sBlush --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/blush.gif" alt="Blush" title="Blush" /><!-- sBlush --> As a matter of fact I spoke on what I could remember instead of doing a search on the subject at hand which would have help me see that the 3 days and 3 nights prophecy was not an idiom at all but speaking clearly of 3 days and 3 nights literally. Also being if this was a literal 3 days and 3 nights in order for the Feast' Wave Offering to have any prophetic as well as symbolic significant it would have had to take place the first day after the weekly Shabbawth instead of the 16th of the month (i.e. - the day after the High Shabbawth) as the 16 of the month would not have been enough time gone by. (see also: Loukanus 24:18 - 21 ...... three days [have passed] since all these things happened.)

Perhaps next time I will study better before I through out an opinion, awmane.

Anyway due to the Scriptures mentioned above in the book of Markos there is no way that the 3 days and 3 nights could have been an idiom reffering to Yahu-Shuah' 3 year ministry in Yishra-Ail, it had to be speaking of a literal time frame of 3 days and nights. Personally I am surprised that this had not been pointed out yet as it would have sealed every one? understanding of the saying. So if it is an idiom it would have to mean "3 FULL DAYS of 72 hrs."

I will still have to stand by what I said about the first day of the week could have been referring about the day of Wave Offering because it is the first day of the first week' count of seven weeks, whether it took place on the day after the High Shabbawth or the weekly Shabbawth it was still the first of the first week' count of seven weeks to Shavuot.

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#15
Texas rat,

The Church of the East is not a sect, it forms a part of the Churches founded by the Apostles much like the eastern and oriental orthodox and yes, even the Roman Catholic Church.

The Church is the body of Yeshua and should be respected as such, but go on and claim that you have revealed some sort of divine revelation concerning the truth, and that your perversion, excuse me version, of Christianity is the sole portrayer of truth.

We have had 2000 years of experience dealing with people who claim to know this or that, fact of the matter is that if anyone dares brings a gospel other than the one that has been taught is accursed.
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