03-21-2011, 08:20 PM
Had anybody clicked on the provided link and checked out the easily structured parallels of particular Enoch verses with NT verses, they would be further convinced that Enoch is not just PROBABLY true, but likely true. I know it seems like a lot of reading (though interesting), but you can always scroll down to just the parallels and see for yourself.
Didnt Jude AND PETER talk about angels who LEFT THEIR PROPER DOMAIN and sinned, which resulted in them being reserved in everlasting chains awaiting the final judgement? Um....what do you think the book of Enoch has been telling us? If you dont believe Enoch, then dont believe Jude or Peter. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, in this case, especially when the paralells are ridiculously similar. And thats only ONE that you guys know of...click the link and you'll see many more.
As far as my understanding goes, Nephellim means FALLEN ONES, not giants. The Septugiant rendered it giants though, because maybe they were known at the time to be very mighty men, but it does mean literally mean fallen ones, or "those who were cast out".
If Enoch was dated very late, post Yeshua, we'd all have a reason to think that it was a fairy tale that borrowed from Genesis and the NT. But it was found in the dead sea scrolls, along with Isaiah and all those other scriptural books that nobody denies as being originally penned very early (Even before the 100BC date given to all of the DSS manuscripts). If anything, Enoch is just as old or OLDER than Genesis and all the other books.
And once again, Jude quotes it directly!!!!!!!!...how much more evidence do you need? Just because the Western canon that we've all grown up with has a particular number of books, doesnt mean a thing. What makes your canon superior to those of the Ethiopians, who are an older church and located much closer to Israel and whose people are actually mentioned in scripture? "Well, if God didnt want us to have our 66 book canon, then it wouldnt be so" obviously doesnt work because theres no reason for God to love us more than other churches in other parts of the world. You gotta do your own digging, unfortunately, but I personally think our God who is no respector of persons would appreciate just a little bit the things that one does who truly seeks Him and his word.
Just give this link a try, guys, please. Ive found the real book that the website takes from called "The Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch: The Untold story of Men and Angels" by Elizabeth Clare Prophet here in the San francisco Main Library. The librarians wont let me check it out and take it home because its the only copy on record and the author is not only dead, but the book was made in 83. It evidently has a reputation for being stolen if checked out.
Didnt Jude AND PETER talk about angels who LEFT THEIR PROPER DOMAIN and sinned, which resulted in them being reserved in everlasting chains awaiting the final judgement? Um....what do you think the book of Enoch has been telling us? If you dont believe Enoch, then dont believe Jude or Peter. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, in this case, especially when the paralells are ridiculously similar. And thats only ONE that you guys know of...click the link and you'll see many more.
As far as my understanding goes, Nephellim means FALLEN ONES, not giants. The Septugiant rendered it giants though, because maybe they were known at the time to be very mighty men, but it does mean literally mean fallen ones, or "those who were cast out".
If Enoch was dated very late, post Yeshua, we'd all have a reason to think that it was a fairy tale that borrowed from Genesis and the NT. But it was found in the dead sea scrolls, along with Isaiah and all those other scriptural books that nobody denies as being originally penned very early (Even before the 100BC date given to all of the DSS manuscripts). If anything, Enoch is just as old or OLDER than Genesis and all the other books.
And once again, Jude quotes it directly!!!!!!!!...how much more evidence do you need? Just because the Western canon that we've all grown up with has a particular number of books, doesnt mean a thing. What makes your canon superior to those of the Ethiopians, who are an older church and located much closer to Israel and whose people are actually mentioned in scripture? "Well, if God didnt want us to have our 66 book canon, then it wouldnt be so" obviously doesnt work because theres no reason for God to love us more than other churches in other parts of the world. You gotta do your own digging, unfortunately, but I personally think our God who is no respector of persons would appreciate just a little bit the things that one does who truly seeks Him and his word.
Just give this link a try, guys, please. Ive found the real book that the website takes from called "The Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch: The Untold story of Men and Angels" by Elizabeth Clare Prophet here in the San francisco Main Library. The librarians wont let me check it out and take it home because its the only copy on record and the author is not only dead, but the book was made in 83. It evidently has a reputation for being stolen if checked out.