01-31-2011, 11:32 AM
justalex Wrote:That's a good point Distazo... YAHUshauh was created first and you can find that also in Mishley 8 where He was "brought forth" by YHWH before the foundations of the world were made... (this is also shown in Yahuchanan 17:5)... However I cannot agree with your point that since He was created or firstborn that it makes Him ELOHIYM... as that is not proven in scripture... I was reading Luqa where it goes through the geneaologies and at the end it says that Adam was the "son of ELOHIYM" also... your assertion would have to include Adam as ELOHIYM since Adam was ELOHIYM's son as well wouldn't it??? (Scratching my head... lol)... ok guys this is a little deeper than I intended but hey, I love learning, LOL...
Actually, Adam is not called 'son of God' the aramaic simply says: "of God."
Further, Adam was a human, so not God. This is quite clear. Being called 'sons of god' is not the main point. The main point is that ONLY Yeshu is called the firstborn God in John 1:18, no one else.
If you degrade Yehsu to a merely a prophet, just someone who like ALL of us is 'son of god', and called 'wisdom' in proverbs 8, what is the value of the sacrifice and the cross? _nothing_ Anyone could have died at the cross!
As you understand, this is quite a problem in christian dogma.
However if Yeshu IS manifestation (avatar) of God (John 1:1), then really, really, our Creator participated in the human pain we experience over the millenia.