Luqa 2:52

[distazo]

That's a good point Distazo... YAHUshauh was created first and you can find that also in Mishley 8 where He was "brought forth" by YHWH before the foundations of the world were made... (this is also shown in Yahuchanan 17:5)... However I cannot agree with your point that since He was created or firstborn that it makes Him ELOHIYM... as that is not proven in scripture... I was reading Luqa where it goes through the geneaologies and at the end it says that Adam was the "son of ELOHIYM" also... your assertion would have to include Adam as ELOHIYM since Adam was ELOHIYM's son as well wouldn't it??? (Scratching my head... lol)... ok guys this is a little deeper than I intended but hey, I love learning, LOL...

Thanks,

justalex

It's plainly said in the bible.

And it's quite logical as well.
John 1:1
Colossians 2:9

But if Yeshu is firstborn of God and ALL other things were created by him, we got a point.
It is no heresy or polytheism to claim that God, the almighty is a spirit, The God and his direct creating (agree?) a god as well.
God (Alaha, Elohim) is _just_ <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/huh.gif" alt="" title="Huh" /><!-- s --> a title meaning great/mighty. Saying that Jesus was God, is NOT blashpemy or trinity or what ever name you give it.
You are human, and your children will be human.
God is a spirit, and wont his first spiritual creating, called the firstborn, not be a spirit like God?

And now a smashing <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> argument.

John 1:18. (Peshitta _only_!)
Murdock "No man hath ever seen God; the only begotten God, he who is in the bosom of his Father, he hath declared [him]."

So, we have at least TWO Gods here.
John 10:34 even speaks about -gods-.