07-25-2011, 08:44 AM
I know Konway does not like to read anything but what is written in the Scripture...But I don't think that way, although I do believe that The Scripture is the final authority on all matters to which it deals.
And so...I am going to add this ancient document to the discussion, because it speaks to the matter...and is something that was taught to the early Christians regarding this subject we are discussing. This document is called "The Didascalia", which claims to be of Apostolic authority and origin from about the year 50 A.D. But could be from about the year 230 A.D. instead....and it is of Eastern origin.
If this information below in the quotes are true...then it brings the two sides together and takes away the contention, showing that both sides can be true.
From Chapter Twenty One: It reads.
"For while He was yet with us before He suffered, as we were eating the Passover with Him, He said to us: To-day, in this night, one of you will betray me.
And we said unto Him, each one of us: Is it I, Lord? And he answered and said to us: He that putteth forth his hand with me into the dish.
And Judas Iscariot, who was one of us, rose up and went his way to betray Him.
Then our Lord said to us: Verily I say unto you, a little while and ye will leave me; for it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the lambs of his flock shall be scattered.
And Judas came with the scribes and with the priests of the people, and betrayed our Lord Jesus.
Now this was done on the fourth day of the week. (Tuesday sundown-Wednesday sundown)
For when we had eaten the Passover on the third day of the week at even, (Tuesday at sundown) we went forth to the Mount of Olives; and in the night they seized our Lord Jesus. (Tuesday night)
And the next day, which was the fourth of the week, (Wednesday) He remained in ward in the house of Caiaphas the high priest.
And on the same day (Wednesday) the chiefs of the people were assembled and took counsel against Him.
And on the next day again, which was the fifth of the week, (Thursday) they brought Him to Pilate the governor.
And He remained again in ward with Pilate the night after the fifth day of the week. (Thursday night)
But when it drew on (towards day) on the Friday, they accused him much before Pilate; and they could show nothing that was true, but gave false witness against Him.
And they asked Him of Pilate to be put to death; and they crucified Him on the same Friday.
He suffered, then, at the sixth hour on Friday. And these hours wherein our Lord was crucified were reckoned a day.
And afterwards, again, there was darkness for three hours; and it was reckoned a night.
And again, from the ninth hour until evening, three hours, (reckoned) a day.
And afterwards again, the night of the Sabbath of the Passion.
And again the day of the Sabbath; and then three hours of the night after the Sabbath, wherein our Lord slept.
And that was fulfilled which He said: ?The Son of man must pass three days and three nights in the heart of the earth?, as it is written in the Gospel.
And again it is written in David: ?Behold, thou hast set my days in measure?. Now because those days and nights came short, it was so written.
In the night, (Saturday Night) therefore, when the first day (Sunday) of the week drew on, He appeared to Mary Magdalene and to Mary the daughter of James, and in the morning of the first day (Sunday) of the week He went in to (the house of) Levi; and then He appeared also to us ourselves."
NOTE: Further down the document in the same Chapter 21...concerning the timing of the Passover Feast that year...it reads:
"But by reason of the multitudes of all the people, from every city and from all the villages, who were coming up to the temple to keep the Passover in Jerusalem, the priests and elders took counsel and commanded and appointed that they should keep the festival straightway, that they might seize Him without disturbance.
For the inhabitants of Jerusalem were engaged with the sacrifice and the eating of the Passover; and moreover, all the people that were without were not yet come, for they had deceived them as to the days.
That they might be convicted before God of erring utterly in all things, therefore they anticipated (predicted) the Passover (was to be in) three days, (telling them to keep the Feast on Tuesday evening till Wednesday evening, ahead of the real Passover of that Friday Evening till Saturday Evening) and kept it on the eleventh of the moon, on the third day of the week. (Tuesday Evening to Wednesday Evening, instead of Friday Evening to Saturday Evening.)
For they said: 'Because the whole people is gone astray after Him, now that we have an occasion let us seize Him; and then, when all the people are come, let us put Him to death before all, that this may be known openly, and all the people may turn back from after Him.'
And so, in the night, (Tuesday Evening) when the fourth day (Wednesday) of the week drew on, Judas betrayed our Lord to them.
But they made the payment to Judas on the tenth of the month (Monday Evening to Tuesday Evening), on the second day of the week; wherefore they were accounted by God as though on the second day of the week they had seized Him, because on the second of the week they had taken counsel to seize Him and put Him to death; and they accomplished their malice on the (following) Friday: as Moses had said concerning the Passover, thus: It shall be kept by you from the tenth until the fourteenth: and then all Israel shall sacrifice the passover. (See Exodus 12.3-6)
Therefore you shall fast in the days of the Pascha from the tenth, which is the second day of the week (Tuesday); and you shall sustain yourselves with bread and salt and water only, at the ninth hour, until the fifth day of the week. (Friday)
But on the Friday and on the Sabbath, fast wholly, and taste nothing.
You shall come together and watch and keep vigil all the night with prayers and intercessions, and with reading of the Prophets, and with the Gospel and with Psalms, with fear and trembling and with earnest supplication, until the third hour in the night after the Sabbath; (9PM) and then break your fasts.
For thus did we also fast, when our Lord suffered, for a testimony of the three days; and we were keeping vigil and praying and interceding for the destruction of the People, because that they erred and confessed not our Saviour.
So do you also pray, that the Lord may not remember their guilt against them unto the end for the guile which they used against our Lord, but may grant them a place of repentance and conversion, and forgiveness of their wickedness.
For he who was a heathen and of a foreign people, Pilate the judge, did not consent to their deeds of wickedness, but took water and washed his hands, and said: I am innocent of the blood of this man.
But the People answered and said: His blood be upon us, and upon our children; and Herod commanded that He should be crucified; and our Lord suffered for us on the Friday.
.
And so...I am going to add this ancient document to the discussion, because it speaks to the matter...and is something that was taught to the early Christians regarding this subject we are discussing. This document is called "The Didascalia", which claims to be of Apostolic authority and origin from about the year 50 A.D. But could be from about the year 230 A.D. instead....and it is of Eastern origin.
If this information below in the quotes are true...then it brings the two sides together and takes away the contention, showing that both sides can be true.
From Chapter Twenty One: It reads.
"For while He was yet with us before He suffered, as we were eating the Passover with Him, He said to us: To-day, in this night, one of you will betray me.
And we said unto Him, each one of us: Is it I, Lord? And he answered and said to us: He that putteth forth his hand with me into the dish.
And Judas Iscariot, who was one of us, rose up and went his way to betray Him.
Then our Lord said to us: Verily I say unto you, a little while and ye will leave me; for it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the lambs of his flock shall be scattered.
And Judas came with the scribes and with the priests of the people, and betrayed our Lord Jesus.
Now this was done on the fourth day of the week. (Tuesday sundown-Wednesday sundown)
For when we had eaten the Passover on the third day of the week at even, (Tuesday at sundown) we went forth to the Mount of Olives; and in the night they seized our Lord Jesus. (Tuesday night)
And the next day, which was the fourth of the week, (Wednesday) He remained in ward in the house of Caiaphas the high priest.
And on the same day (Wednesday) the chiefs of the people were assembled and took counsel against Him.
And on the next day again, which was the fifth of the week, (Thursday) they brought Him to Pilate the governor.
And He remained again in ward with Pilate the night after the fifth day of the week. (Thursday night)
But when it drew on (towards day) on the Friday, they accused him much before Pilate; and they could show nothing that was true, but gave false witness against Him.
And they asked Him of Pilate to be put to death; and they crucified Him on the same Friday.
He suffered, then, at the sixth hour on Friday. And these hours wherein our Lord was crucified were reckoned a day.
And afterwards, again, there was darkness for three hours; and it was reckoned a night.
And again, from the ninth hour until evening, three hours, (reckoned) a day.
And afterwards again, the night of the Sabbath of the Passion.
And again the day of the Sabbath; and then three hours of the night after the Sabbath, wherein our Lord slept.
And that was fulfilled which He said: ?The Son of man must pass three days and three nights in the heart of the earth?, as it is written in the Gospel.
And again it is written in David: ?Behold, thou hast set my days in measure?. Now because those days and nights came short, it was so written.
In the night, (Saturday Night) therefore, when the first day (Sunday) of the week drew on, He appeared to Mary Magdalene and to Mary the daughter of James, and in the morning of the first day (Sunday) of the week He went in to (the house of) Levi; and then He appeared also to us ourselves."
NOTE: Further down the document in the same Chapter 21...concerning the timing of the Passover Feast that year...it reads:
"But by reason of the multitudes of all the people, from every city and from all the villages, who were coming up to the temple to keep the Passover in Jerusalem, the priests and elders took counsel and commanded and appointed that they should keep the festival straightway, that they might seize Him without disturbance.
For the inhabitants of Jerusalem were engaged with the sacrifice and the eating of the Passover; and moreover, all the people that were without were not yet come, for they had deceived them as to the days.
That they might be convicted before God of erring utterly in all things, therefore they anticipated (predicted) the Passover (was to be in) three days, (telling them to keep the Feast on Tuesday evening till Wednesday evening, ahead of the real Passover of that Friday Evening till Saturday Evening) and kept it on the eleventh of the moon, on the third day of the week. (Tuesday Evening to Wednesday Evening, instead of Friday Evening to Saturday Evening.)
For they said: 'Because the whole people is gone astray after Him, now that we have an occasion let us seize Him; and then, when all the people are come, let us put Him to death before all, that this may be known openly, and all the people may turn back from after Him.'
And so, in the night, (Tuesday Evening) when the fourth day (Wednesday) of the week drew on, Judas betrayed our Lord to them.
But they made the payment to Judas on the tenth of the month (Monday Evening to Tuesday Evening), on the second day of the week; wherefore they were accounted by God as though on the second day of the week they had seized Him, because on the second of the week they had taken counsel to seize Him and put Him to death; and they accomplished their malice on the (following) Friday: as Moses had said concerning the Passover, thus: It shall be kept by you from the tenth until the fourteenth: and then all Israel shall sacrifice the passover. (See Exodus 12.3-6)
Therefore you shall fast in the days of the Pascha from the tenth, which is the second day of the week (Tuesday); and you shall sustain yourselves with bread and salt and water only, at the ninth hour, until the fifth day of the week. (Friday)
But on the Friday and on the Sabbath, fast wholly, and taste nothing.
You shall come together and watch and keep vigil all the night with prayers and intercessions, and with reading of the Prophets, and with the Gospel and with Psalms, with fear and trembling and with earnest supplication, until the third hour in the night after the Sabbath; (9PM) and then break your fasts.
For thus did we also fast, when our Lord suffered, for a testimony of the three days; and we were keeping vigil and praying and interceding for the destruction of the People, because that they erred and confessed not our Saviour.
So do you also pray, that the Lord may not remember their guilt against them unto the end for the guile which they used against our Lord, but may grant them a place of repentance and conversion, and forgiveness of their wickedness.
For he who was a heathen and of a foreign people, Pilate the judge, did not consent to their deeds of wickedness, but took water and washed his hands, and said: I am innocent of the blood of this man.
But the People answered and said: His blood be upon us, and upon our children; and Herod commanded that He should be crucified; and our Lord suffered for us on the Friday.
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