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Good Wednesday or Good Friday?
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ograabe Wrote:This is not a new idea. It was promoted about 50 years ago by Herbert W. Armstrong and his "Worldwide Church of God". His son, Garner Ted Armstrong had a weekly radio program promoting their new prophet theology.

Otto
Cheers, dear ograabe.

You are correct that this is not a "new" idea. I'm so glad more people are becoming aware. Many people are still laboring under false and ignorant impressions concerning the "Wednesday" crucifixion. I would love to help clean this up. About that...

I certainly agree that the men you reference were among those who believed in & taught the "Wednesday" crucifixion, although I'm unsure how you really mean the rest of your post. The "idea" is found beyond their writings, and far further back than 50 years... Besides some older Millerite groups and the Indian connection konway87 mentions, according to some interpretations, the "idea" is first recorded in the Scriptures themselves.

Since these Armstrongs you reference certainly believed in & taught many un-scriptural things, they seem to be a source for unsound teaching. Presenting the "Wednesday" crucifixion as something of their invention might therefore lead those poor souls susceptible to persuasion by logical fallacy to conclude from this that the "idea" must be incorrect. It's just ad hominem, though, to imply that the specific teaching must be wrong because of the person you can associate with the idea - isn't it? Not really compelling. After all, these same people also taught prayer - and that the Messiah is the Son of God!

As evidence that your post may leave some with the impression that the Armstrongs originated the "Wednesday" crucifixion "idea"... see below. Hopefully the misinforming effect of your post was unintended.

Rafa Wrote:Herbie armstrong who came up with this "good wednsesday" be gone.
Dear Rafa, I respectfully disagree with your position here. The Herbert fellow is quite gone, but he is not the originator of the interpretation you seem so set against.

konway87 Wrote:I know its not a new idea. Many People argued about this subject long time ago. For Example, Some people in South India argued that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. But many others supported Good Friday. I know about this, because I grew up there.
Great points, dear konway87. I'm glad you can bring to the table some perspectives from India. I'd love to learn more. Many of my spiritual brethren have dwelt in India, although fewer since the Portuguese arrived.

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For my own part, "...in that very teaching which they mention, I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Torah and in the prophets. I have the same hope in God which they themselves hold, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. For this reason, I labor to have always a clear conscience before God and before men."

I believe that Yeshua effectively showed through His Earthly ministry that in this world error easily becomes more prevalent than truth. I also see that He found nothing compelling in arguments which essentially boiled down to appeals to "majority" or "tradition". I seek to follow His lead in these things, as in all. Yeshua's attitude there was nothing new, either... God came to Noah not to point him towards the traditions of the majority around him, but rather to teach him how to escape. God came to Abraham neither to instruct him to follow the majority in Ur (or anywhere), nor to follow Ur's traditions; rather quite the opposite - to flee both. No doubt much of what God said seemed to Abraham new and strange. God did not reveal Himself to Israel to support the traditions which surrounded them, nor to praise the majority religious views; rather quite the opposite. No doubt the Torah seemed new and alien. And in a very real sense, it was alien, for like Noah and Abraham their ancestors, they were called to be "different" from those surrounding them. "Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be [what?], for I am [what?]"... The word in question there does not mean to conform ourselves to the world. Quite the opposite; the word we translate "holy" has strong shades of "other" and "separate". Also, we have the instruction, ""You shall not follow a majority in wrongdoing: when you bear witness in a lawsuit, you shall not side with the majority so as to pervert justice." So, in determining what the scriptures say, what to believe, and what to practice, I am not greatly concerned with following a majority or a tradition of men. I am curious to know what those views are, but in determining correctness, they are lent no weight by their "special" majority/tradition status. I find some traditional beliefs or practices useful/beneficial, but some I find useless or even harmful. Some fascinate me, and some provoke severe disinterest. Above all, I want to test all things, then: 1.hold fast to the good and, 2.abstain from every form of evil (i.e., everything not covered by #1).

I've never been a fan of teachings which make the Scripture argue with itself. One thing I take out of "Scripture cannot be broken" is that true teachings bring out the harmony of the scriptures, rather than cherry-pick the lines they can abuse. I have yet to see a support for "Friday" crucifixion that only uses sound hermeneutics & logic, and then only from correct sources & premises... so I have no reason to believe it. Maybe the "Fridayists" are right, but with the arguments as I've heard them, who would know it? Perhaps one day I will see a satisfactory treatment of the "Friday" theory... until then, when weighing the arguments for the day of the crucifixion, I have seen that those in favor of the "Wednesday" event are clearly the superior. Fact, reason and the totality of scripture on a topic are far better supports than "all orthodox churches have always..." or "never mind the rest of the scriptures, this little sliver of Mark can be made to seem to say..."
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Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-23-2010, 03:19 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by judge - 07-25-2010, 10:21 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 07-26-2010, 10:25 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by distazo - 07-28-2010, 08:23 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-28-2010, 09:05 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by distazo - 07-29-2010, 06:57 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-29-2010, 02:33 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-29-2010, 07:07 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 07-31-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-31-2010, 04:23 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by ograabe - 08-05-2010, 03:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-05-2010, 04:07 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-19-2010, 02:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 08-19-2010, 10:46 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-20-2010, 03:27 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 08-20-2010, 11:02 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-21-2010, 02:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-01-2011, 06:53 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 05-01-2011, 08:49 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-01-2011, 09:37 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-02-2011, 04:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-02-2011, 10:53 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-03-2011, 01:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-03-2011, 08:45 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 05:20 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 05:29 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-08-2011, 05:54 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 10:44 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-09-2011, 04:44 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-09-2011, 10:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-09-2011, 10:33 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 02:39 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 03:00 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 04:59 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 10:58 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 11:31 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 12:46 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 01:32 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 06:54 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 07:16 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 10:27 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 10:29 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-11-2011, 12:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 05:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-11-2011, 09:56 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-11-2011, 09:59 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-12-2011, 12:09 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-17-2011, 07:06 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-17-2011, 11:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-18-2011, 05:19 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-27-2011, 12:16 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-29-2011, 03:15 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Daniel814 - 05-29-2011, 04:55 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-31-2011, 07:17 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 06-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 06-07-2011, 06:27 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-20-2011, 04:06 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-20-2011, 04:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 12:26 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 01:25 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-20-2011, 07:41 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by bar Sinko - 07-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 07-20-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 03:57 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-21-2011, 04:08 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 03:09 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 05:45 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-22-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Dani - 07-22-2011, 09:58 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-22-2011, 11:06 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-23-2011, 05:09 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-23-2011, 05:28 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-23-2011, 07:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-24-2011, 05:15 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 02:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 02:56 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 03:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 03:20 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:34 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:38 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 06:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 06:47 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 07:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:44 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:24 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 06:17 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 06:26 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:48 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-26-2011, 09:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-26-2011, 05:47 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Sarah - 02-18-2013, 03:03 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Sarah - 03-02-2013, 03:04 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 03-02-2013, 07:52 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Sarah - 03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by ClaudeA - 05-15-2013, 12:42 AM

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