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Good Wednesday or Good Friday?
rramlow Wrote:Please forgive me for communicating to you about the distress your ways cause me.

No offense taken on this side. It is not mine position to get offended over, it is that of He Who sends me. I'm just a happy humble messenger. Apparently (via the rules of this forum) teaching the right stuff in the wrong place. My BAD! <!-- sBlush --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/blush.gif" alt="Blush" title="Blush" /><!-- sBlush -->

will brinson: ferguson
Thirdwoe Wrote:rramlow,

It is very important to speak the Truth in love...when an error is being brought forth.

If you see something that I say, that is not true, or not done in love...then please show it to me.

Some people don't like to see a conflict...but conflict is not bad, but needed, when something is being taught that is not true and might mislead others down the wrong path.

The Scriptures teach that we are to earnestly contend for the Faith that was Once delivered unto the Saints. And The Messiah taught that He did not come to bring peace but a sword...and the Sword of Truth is what He meant. And when the Sword of Truth is will divide what is of soul and Spirit.

AWMANE! And therefore REPENT. See: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""> ... index.html</a><!-- m --> for details on the fact that the Assembly keep the 7th day Shabbawth and the fact that sun'-day worshippers' self righteousnessly sought to oppress them into stopping. True Shabbawth Keepers allow their fellow man to keep or not keep the Shabbawth, but sun'-day worshippers had always wanted every one to do it their way or else suffer persicution!

Dew to forum rules I can nolonger, in all good concense refute you any longer in this open forum
(Please feel free to contact me if you feel a need for further rebuke @: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""></a><!-- m --> awmane).

will brinson: ferguson
Will, (the Texas Rat)

Yes, I think its best that we take our discussions away from this thread, as it was not created for it. I have started a new thread here on the "General" forum titled "Concerning The Law".

If you want, we can talk more about it there, as its a thread I started and would be happy to discuss this matter further there.

Thirdwoe Wrote:Will, (the Texas Rat)

Yes, I think its best that we take our discussions away from this thread, as it was not created for it. I have started a new thread here on the "General" forum titled "Concerning The Law".

If you want, we can talk more about it there, as its a thread I started and would be happy to discuss this matter further there.



to the best of my understanding ( please see: FORUM RULES ) we are not to even start threads here on anything other than textual issues so I can not in all good conscience follow you here and continue to discus doctrinal issues. Either direct me to another forum or use the one I have. The one I got is a free forum and probably not the best so if you know of another one please advise. I do not mind trying to expose truths that have been hidden by perverted translations and or refuting false traditions in general.
Rafa Wrote:I might stop by at your forum Will. God Bless you.

Please do.

It is a free forum so I do not know just how good it is. I do know that the posts are limited in the amount of characters they will hold. This makes it hard to get one' full thought through in one posting. I suggest adding additional replies if need be.

Please feel free to start a thread at any time you are ready.

Your brother in in Yahu-Shauh the Anointed One.
will brinson: ferguson
I am writing the Good Wednesday or Good Friday again to make a fresh start.

As for Three days and Three Nights, there were different Sabbaths. Not just regular Sabbath (Saturday).

Jesus was buried before (High Sabbath). Shlikha John says in his Gospel that the next day was High Sabbath. Jesus was buried on Wednesday evening. This was right before the beginning of High Sabbath (Wednesday 6pm).

Wednesday 6pm to Thursday 6pm - High Sabbath. They rested.

Thursday 6pm to Friday 6pm - Gospel of St. Mark says that they bought spices. And St. Luke's Gospel also says that they prepared these spices.

Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm - St. Luke says that after they prepared spices, they rested on Sabbath. This is a regular Sabbath.

As you all know Luke 24:21 (Paul Younan's Interlinear) - "And behold, three days [have passed] since all these things happened."


As I have pointed out [have passed] are in brackets for a reason. They are are not present in the Text....But the word "FROM" is there in the text. We need not add to the text an interpretation, as the Scripture has the interpretation there for us.

The Khabouris Text has this in English rendering "Behold three days behold from these all be."

What are the "these all"

Vs 20 "the Chief Priests and the Elders delivered him to the sentence of death, and they crucified him."

If you believe that it was on a Wednesday that they did this...then can you show on what year that would work so that The Messiah dies on The Cross on the afternoon of the 14th day of the 1st month and raises from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits.

I have went over all the scenerios for years...

Three days from the time He was delivered to the sentance of death and they crucified according to the Wednesday theroy:

Wednesday night to Thursday night = 1 day
Thursday night to Friday night = 2 days
Friday night to Saturday night = 3 days

They said this to The Messiah in the afternoon of it could work technically. Lets say that it may be so...

BUT...can you prove from The Scripture that the events that are recorded of the actions of the Messiah from The Messiah's entry into Jerusalem that week to His arrest in the Garden can fit up till Wednesday night?

Are you saying that Wednesday was the 14th day of the 1st month that year? And if so, then on what day did the Feast of Firstfruits take place?

Did you say before somewhere that you believe that it was the year 31 A.D. that it took place?

This is the explanation of what I wrote before.

I believe that Jesus resurrected at the end of Saturday (right before Saturday 6pm). This is right before the beginning of Sunday.

Let me take verses from the Bible.

John 19:42 (Murdock) - And there laid Jesus, because the sabbath had commenced, and the sepulchre was near.

Luke 23:50-56 (Murdock) - "And there was a certain man, whose name was Joseph, a counsellor, from Ramath a city of Judaea, who was a good man and righteous; and he had not consented to their decision and deed; and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. This man went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it down, and wrapped it in a winding-sheet of linen; and laid it in an excavated sepulchre, in which no one had hitherto been laid. And it was the day of preparation, and the sabbath began to dawn. And those women who came with him from Galilee, approached, and viewed the sepulchre, and the manner in which the body was deposited. And they returned, and prepared perfumes and aromatics; and they rested on the sabbath, as it is commanded."

Mark 16:1 (Murdock) - "And when the sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalena, and Mary [the mother] of James, and Salome, bought aromatics, that they might come and anoint him."

We know that they rested on sabbath after they prepared the perfumes and aromatics. In Mark, we see that women bought aromatics after Sabbath. This shows that there were 2 Sabbaths.

And John 19:31 (Murdock) - "And because it was the preparation, the Jews said: These bodies must not remain all night upon the cross: because the sabbath was dawning; and the day of that sabbath was a great day. And they requested of Pilate, that they should break the legs of those crucified, and take them down."

So we know that this was a Great sabbath. Not a regular Sabbath

Now I am going to explain 3 days and 3 nights. Jesus was buried right before the beginning of Sabbath (Wednesday 6pm).

Wednesday 6pm to Thursday 6pm - High or Great Sabbath

Thursday 6pm to Friday 6pm - After Sabbath, women bought aromatics (Mark 16:1). Women prepared the perfumes and aromatics (Luke 23:56).

Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm - And they rested on the sabbath, as it is commanded (Luke 23:56).

So let's just say that Jesus Christ was buried at the end of Wednesday. This is shortly before the beginning of Thursday (Wednesday 6pm)

Wednesday 6pm to Thursday 6 pm - one night and one day
Thursday 6pm to Friday 6pm - one night and one day
Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm - one night and one day

And the result comes up as 3 nights and 3 days.

Mark 8:31 (Murdock) - "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man was about to suffer much, and be rejected by the Elders and by the chief priests and by the Scribes, and be killed, and rise on the third day."

So my calculation comes up to the point that Jesus rose at the end of Saturday, which is the third day. This is shortly before the beginning of the first day of the week.

John 6:38-40 (Murdock) - "For I came down from heaven, not to do my own pleasure, but the pleasure of him that sent me. And this is the pleasure of him that sent me, that whatever he hath given me, I should lose nothing of it, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the pleasure of my Father, that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have life eternal; and I will raise him up at the last day."

This verse makes the subject more interesting. These verses gives "more possibility" that Jesus rose on Saturday (Seventh and the last day of the week). These verses shows what Father wants his beloved Son to do on earth.

I am only using verses from the Bible. My request is if you are going to disagree with this subject, then please use the verses from the Bible. And not from outside sources.

Are you able to address my questions? Or do you just like to tell what you think is true?

God created the you don't have to think of it as not being holy or less worthy of consideration than Scripture.

If you can't address my questions in my post, then that is fine. I understand.

But if you can, but just want to keep repeating your same study over and over again...then there is no discussion.

Looks like we wrote the posts at the same time. That's why I didn't notice your reply. I will be able to answer your questions soon. But first, please be a little more polite when you reply. I write based on what is mentioned in the Bible.

I am being extra polite to should see me when I am not extra polite. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

If you are going to teach something as if it is true and not just as you see it...then it has to be proven to be true, not just as you see it.

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Now let's start with Chronology from Hosanna to the day of Passover. This is a long list of information. So the continuation will be on next post. I used Murdock's Translation for the verses.
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Tuesday 6 pm to Wednesday 6pm (Wednesday)

And six days before the passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where was that Lazarus whom Jesus raised from the dead. (John 12:1 Murdock) John 12:1-11 happened on the same day.

Wednesday 6pm to Thursday 6pm (Thursday)

And the next day, a great multitude who had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took boughs of palm-trees, and went out to meet him. And they cried, and said: Hosanna, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord, the king of Israel ! (John 12: 12-13)

Mark 11:10-11 - And blessed is the advancing kingdom of our father David. Hosanna in the highest [heavens]. And Jesus entered Jerusalem and the temple, and surveyed every thing. And when evening arrived, he went out to Bethany with the twelve.

Thursday 6pm to Friday 6pm (Friday)

Mark 11:12-16 - "And the following day, as he left Bethany, he was hungry; and he saw a fig-tree at a distance, on which were leaves, and he came to it, if he could find somewhat on it. And when he had come, he found on it only leaves; for the time of figs had not arrived. And he said to it: Henceforth and for ever, let no man eat fruit from thee: and the disciples heard it. And they came to Jerusalem. And Jesus entered the temple of God: and he began to cast out those who bought and sold in the temple; and he overturned the counters of the money-brokers, and the seats of them that sold doves. And he suffered no one to carry goods through the temple."

Mark 11:19 - "And when it was evening, they went out from the city."

Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm (Saturday/Sabbath)

"And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig-tree dried up, as it were, from its root." (Mark 11:20) .
(Mark 11: 21 - 26) - We see Jesus talking to Simon after Simon telling to Jesus that fig-tree is dried up. (Mark 11:27) - "And they came again to Jerusalem. And as he was walking in the temple, the chief priests and Scribes and Elders came to him. and said to him: By what authority doest thou these things? And who gave thee the authority to do these things ?"

(Luke 20:1-2) - "And on one of those days, as he was teaching the people in the temple, and preaching, the chief priests and Scribes, with the Elders, came upon him, and said to him: Tell us, by what authority thou doest these things? And who is it, that gave thee this authority?

Luke's Gospel points out that Jesus came to temple to teach the people. According to my calculations, this happened on a Sabbath. This makes sense to me, because Jesus was in the temple preaching. After the talking to Chief Priests, Scribes, and Elders, we see Jesus talking about the similitude about the vineyard. After that, we read everything that happened in Temple (Mark chapters 12, 13 and Luke chapters 20, 21).

Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6pm (Sunday)

(Mark 14:1) - "And after two days, was the passover of unleavened cakes. And the chief priests and the Scribes sought how they might take him by stratagem, and kill him." And Jesus was at Bethany at the house of Simon the jarmaker (Mark 14:3-9). Due to the mistranslation, Simon the jarmaker became Simon the leper. After that, Judas Iscariot went to Chief Priests, in order to betray Jesus (Mark 14:10).

Sunday 6pm to Monday 6pm (Monday)

Gospels doesn't mention what happened in this day

Monday 6pm to Tuesday 6pm (Tuesday)

And the feast of unleavened cakes was approaching (Tuesday evening). "The feast of unleavened cakes is also called Passover" (Luke 22:1).

(Luke 22:7-13) - "And the day of unleavened cakes arrived, on which it was customary for the passover to be slain. And Jesus sent Cephas and John, and said to them; Go, prepare for us the passover, that we may eat it. And they said to him: Where wilt thou, that we prepare? He said to them: Lo, when ye enter the city, there will a man meet you, bearing a vessel of water. Go after him; and where he entereth, say ye to the lord of the house: Our Rabbi saith, Is there a place of refreshment, in which I may eat the Passover, with my disciples? And lo, he will show you a large upper room that is furnished; there prepare ye. And they went, and found as he had said to them: and they made ready the passover."

Tuesday 6pm to Wednesday 6pm (Wednesday) -

The day of Passover began when the Wednesday started at Tuesday 6pm.

(Matthew 26:19-20) - "And his disciples did as Jesus directed them, and made ready the Passover. And when it was evening, he reclined with his twelve disciples." So Passover began when Wednesday began (Tuesday 6pm). And in this night, Jesus was betrayed by Judas Iscariot.
Thanks Konway,

I'll study that out.

Do you say then that the "Last Supper" was eaten in the evening start of the day of the 14th day of the 1st month Abib, which was a Tuesday night for the Roman date? And if so, then what day do you say would be the day on the Calendar as for the day of the week that the Feast of Firstfruits would land upon?

Thirdwoe, I am glad you see that my intentions are to only reveal the truth. I am still studying on the calendar system. For now, I am using 7 day/week system, because this was the same system that was used during the time of Jesus. When my doubts with calendars are cleared, then I will discuss about it. But it may take a while.

At least, I am glad that my writings are helpful to you.

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