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John 12:47 - Keep or Believe?
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Shlama,

Here's a variant reading that I thought I'd toss out to see what the consensus is here:

NASB reads: If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

vs.

KJV reads: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

the two Greek terms are, in SIL Galatia font:

fulaxj = keep

pisteuosej = believe

going to the Peshitta text, the reading is [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]r=n[/font] = keep

a similar-looking term for "believe" is [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]r4n[/font].

although somewhat similar in appearance, check out their Dead Sea Scroll (DSS Scribal font) counterparts:

r+n = keep
r$n = believe

the very close similarity between the Shin and the Tet make me think this option is a more viable explanation than the Estrangela script, as a scribe misreading the Tet as a smudged/faded letter Shin. either way, the Aramaic certainly explains it much easier than the Greek!

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Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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Burning one Wrote:although somewhat similar in appearance, check out their Dead Sea Scroll (DSS Scribal font) counterparts:

r+n = keep
r$n = believe

the very close similarity between the Shin and the Tet make me think this option is a more viable explanation than the Estrangela script, as a scribe misreading the Tet as a smudged/faded letter Shin. either way, the Aramaic certainly explains it much easier than the Greek!

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Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy

Is there any way we can see the DSS script? I can only still see roman font at the moment.
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judge Wrote:
Burning one Wrote:although somewhat similar in appearance, check out their Dead Sea Scroll (DSS Scribal font) counterparts:

r+n = keep
r$n = believe

the very close similarity between the Shin and the Tet make me think this option is a more viable explanation than the Estrangela script, as a scribe misreading the Tet as a smudged/faded letter Shin. either way, the Aramaic certainly explains it much easier than the Greek!

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Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy

Is there any way we can see the DSS script? I can only still see roman font at the moment.
Sure sounds inbteresting though <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

Shlama,

go here:

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the font download is near the bottom of the page. once it is installed, you're good to go -- just come back to this topic and you should be able to read it fine.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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