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Colossians Misunderstood - As Usual!
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Burning one Wrote:Shlama,


I hope I'm not reading the Aramaic wrong, because it REALLY looks like dee'thahen -- meaning "that are." i also believe that the context of the entire passage, as well as knowing that Paulus himself continued teaching and performing these very things shows us that he wasn't saying they were past. the Torah is a shadow. it is. present. the reality is embodied in Messiah. so Torah is Messiah's shadow. as long as Messiah exists, the commandments exist. we may perceive them better or slightly differently the closer Messiah comes to us, but the commandments remain, or else, if not, then where is the Body who casts the shadow? my Messiah has a shadow, and in His shadow I see very intriguing aspects of Him and His personality. to be sure, however, the reality IS Messiah! may He come soon to reign over His people!

This perspective is helpfull and interesting I must say. Alot of the modern christian teachings is that Jesus / Y'shua is the 'substance' of the laws and feasts and sabbaths etc, thus abolishing them by inclination, authough it doesn't say that.

I'd be very intersted to hear more on your (dee'thahen -- meaning "that are.") bit because maybie your right? it might change the meaning.

Me as a person am a christian who through my own studying and praying and heartfully being in tears on my knees for answeres has came to the conclusion that not 'all' the law has gone, I've been despirate to get to the bottom of all this because as we all know Paul is confusing. Seems that he does away with the law and then a feew verses later says to 'uphold and do' it, this was one of the many things that sent alarm bells ringing and plundered me into studying what the bible really says. it was also scriptures like, "Blessed are those who do the commandments that they might have the right to the tree of life" etc, my foundations as a believer are now cracked and it isn't good. I know we are not to adopt the attitude of picking and choosing which commandments we like and thus I have been trying to find what is 'in' & 'out' because of the cross. I know some are out becasue we do not sacrifice lambs etc anymore. i've tried to look for a deviding line but can't find one.

Subsequently at the moment I try to keep sabbath and I don't eat Pig 'n'Prawns any more. Lots of evidence led me to those conclusions but as a gentile (or former gentile?) I'm unsure weather everything mensioned in scripture is for everyone rather than Jews etc, I understand what Paul is saying that we are to be jews 'inwardly' and 'Grafted in', so that seems to say we are all to be one, yet part of me is still struggeling to be sure of things, a mixture of truth and error is very confusing and dangerous.

This collossians passage is very important I feel because I have never understood it, only to mean everything is abolished, people would suggest it says they WERE shadows of things that WERE to come, but when I read it in most translations it was a different tense to what I was being told.

Reciently in the KJV I read that scripture:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The 'is' is in italics and thus a suggestion, so if you remove that and replace the moons etc with 'these things', it now makes sence to me.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in (These Things)
Col 2:17 Which ARE a shadow of things TO come; but the body of Christ.

I know I'm repeating myself and I'm teaching some of you to suck eggs, for this I appologise.

It's just, I know the KJV isn't a perfect translation, I don't think any translation can be perfect. But I thought I had 'cracked' that scripture and could put it to rest, since reading it in the AENT (because there is alot of supporting evidence to suggest the Aramaic is more accurate), it seems to have blown everything up again, when I read it in the AENT I get the reading that those things ae now gone again. <!-- sHuh --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" /><!-- sHuh --> 'Were a shadow of things then future' etc.


I have more trust in the KJV than most other Greek based bibles, other translations that 'do away' with these things basically say:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you about not doing (These Things)
Col 2:17 Which were a shadow of things to come; but the body is comprised of Christ, and not 'those' ordinancies.

Some people think (these things) are meat and drink offerings being done away with, others think it's kosher laws, sabbaths and feasts being done away with, others think it's just telling you to keep them. *sigh* <!-- s:nervous: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/nervous.gif" alt=":nervous:" title="Nervous" /><!-- s:nervous: -->


Tossed about with every wind of doctorine, that's me! Gotta get a grip on the truth. What is what and how can we be sure? In/from the Aramaic especially.
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Re: Colossians Misunderstood - As Usual! - by Knuckles - 03-30-2010, 10:11 PM

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