03-28-2010, 09:08 AM
Aaron S Wrote:Shlama sittingShiva,
Your methods for understanding how things work with respect to Paul are strange.
It is undeniably the case that Paul got the stamp of approval from the apostles...
we can gather that from the writings and from history surrounding what is called 'canonization' which was based upon the writings of the Netzarim (which accepts Paul).
Stop assuming that Paul invented Christianity and hated Israel and try to see his words from all sides...
he does seem to under-emphasize the living by Torah, but much of how you understand Paul comes from Christianity, not the Netzarim.
1. Paul did not create Christianity: Rome did.
2. Paul did not hate Israel: Rome did.
Why do people think Paul did either 1 or 2? Because that's what has been given to us as a legacy of Rome.
The irony of your reply is that you have failed to realize that I was addressing your view of God rather than your view of Paul. While you claim that my view of Paul is given to me of Christianity, I do not see the great revelation of your view apart from what it is they claim. You both worship a man over the Most High God. If this were not true, then you would not have been willing to place the blame on God before you did Paul if his teachings were found to be contrary from what it is Jesus taught. I tell you now that his teachings WERE contrary to what it is Jesus taught and yet, I assure you that it is not the fault of God that Paul chose the path he did.
If anyone has given Paul the benefit of the doubt, it would be me (after all, it meant the separation from many of my loved ones who are also worshipers of the Pauline religion). But in my mind and in my heart, I could not escape the fact that his words were not only contradicting what it is Jesus taught, but they were contradicting what it is I know, as a human being, of life in general. Then the greater weight of the accusations I have toward him is not that he was preaching against a People (though that much is clear and a crime, in my opinion, in and of itself), but against the way of Life set forth into motion by the "hand" of God.
Take clear note, as I have, of how it is that you have defended Paul even at the expense/risk of placing blame on the Creator of all Life. Tell me now that it is not a man you are worshiping over God. Paul had not the problem to be called a god by others. It didn't have to be Jesus his followers worshiped as long as they would carry forth the spirit against Israel and the way that they, as a people, had been set on by the God of Israel. You can call my view strange and yet, I find it more strange that you would openly admit before us all that you believe God could be blamed for wrongdoing before Paul, a man, could be. <!-- s:wow: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wow.gif" alt=":wow:" title="Wow" /><!-- s:wow: -->