03-20-2010, 06:35 PM
Ben Masada Wrote:Burning one Wrote:-------------------------------Ben Masada Wrote:Shlama,
the contents of the Torah are shadows of things to come. that is no lie. but you're understanding it from a negative point of view. the contents ARE shadows. present tense. they are shadows today. they haven't ceased to be. if it were otherwise, he was upholding phantoms, because, like i mentioned before, he still kept the festivals and taught others to, as well. he still taught circumcision, and even had Timothy circumcised. those are not the actions of an anti-nomian person.
one cannot understand Paulus without first realizing that his actions, like anyone's, determine how we should understand his words. he is repeatedly shown giving honor to the Torah in a Biblical fashion, and so the words that you are having difficulty accepting of his need to be re-evaluated, because either you're misunderstanding his words, or else you should throw his words away and accept his life as a Torah-observant Benjaminite, as his actions clearly show him to be.
Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
Regarding the first paragraph, you are promoting Replacement Theology, because if the contents of the Torah are shadows of things to come, they must disappear after the things arrive. That's what Paul meant in Galatians 4:21-31. For the second paragraph, if you think I don't understand Paul, read Acts 21:21 and explain it to me yourself. We have Paul preaching against Moses, teaching the Jews to stop circumcising their children and to renounce the Jewish customs.
i'm not advocating replacement theology - i myself do my best to live the commands of the Torah on a daily basis, so stop your lashon hara, it is unnecessary. think about it for a moment: do you have a shadow? yes. can a person see your shadow from afar off if a light is behind you? yes. when you get there, is your shadow gone - does it disappear? no. the shadow remains. it is an essential aspect of your presence. it may look a bit different from when it was originally seen, or it might be better understood once you yourself are personally there as to the details of the shadow, but the shadow cannot be separated from you. as long as you exist, the shadow is there. it is the same with the Torah. it is the shadow of Messiah. as long as Messiah exists, the Torah exists. simple logic. but instead, you're accepting hook line and sinker the anti-nomian approach to the Torah being the shadow. i would suggest backing away from accepting such things and look at it all over again, starting with, again, the Peshitta. you continually ignore my questions and suggestions concerning it, so that makes me assume you haven't spent time in the pages of the real New Testament. please correct me if my assumptions are wrong. but i truly believe that if you would take the time to educate yourself in that respect, you would not be making the misinformed accusations that you currently are. your arguments don't hold water because you clearly seem to be coming from a Greek perspective of the New Testament. this place here is a different ball-game, and if you take the time to look into the merit of the Peshitta, i think you'll begin to see why you've repeatedly run across the suggestion to educate yourself more in that arena.
i already explained Acts 21. i've asked you to answer, but you've not done so. it clearly says that what the people had been informed about Paulus was false. what is your answer to that? are you going to just pick and choose which verses in a passage are to be held as authoritative based on your arbitrary choice? that doesn't fly. i want you to explain how he could continue keeping the festivals, kosher, making temple vows involving sacrifice, upholding circumcision, and STILL be considered as preaching AGAINST Muwshe. personal testimony: while visiting with Gershon Solomon, the leader of the Temple Mount And Land of Israel Faithful movement one erev Shabbat a few years back, he explained to me that if i, a Gentile by today's standards, lived like a Jew, then i am a Jew. so, you are what you do. Paulus did the Torah. he didn't do it like the Pharisees of his time, with the added regulations of the avot or the traditions of the qasheeshe', which hindered the people from even approaching the legitimate commandments from Sinai, but he did the true Torah with the proper commandments in the proper perspective. how you can get that he didn't is simply beyond me. the weight of evidence blatantly shows his continued observance and teaching of it: "the Torah is holy and good," it is "spiritual," etc.. statements like that don't come from a replacement theologian by any means.
unless you actually begin to answer the reality of these things here, we're not having a discussion, we're having you come to express your views only. that's not what a forum is about. i for one have no more time for anti-missionary activity if you won't even answer the issues presented to counter your arguments.
Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy