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Questions about the Aramaic English New Testament
#16
That's what I thought Akh Keefa, so it does have relevance because we are appealing to linguistics to help solve the debate. It's not just about when the Resurrection happened, for the sake of the debate. My vote is to keep it.

PS - please see my above post regarding the real identity of the "Committee".
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#17
Paul Younan Wrote:I think I know who this is! <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Moderators - what sayest thou? Committee vote here:

Should this post be deleted? Should the "Committee" be banned for attacking individuals and groups?

Quote:In an effort to make this forum as useful and as constructive as possible, any threatening, abusive, libelous, or defamatory information of any kind posted here will be removed. Personal insults or insults toward any community will not be tolerated and the entire post will be summarily removed, along with its replies.

I leave it to your discretion.

Shlama Akhi Paul:
The personal attacks are unacceptable. A vigorous discussion of the literary content of the AENT is however of great interest to all of us because it is an English translation from the Aramaic Peshitta text. The Netzarim have a vested interest in Aramaic Primacy and Andrew Roth is an Aramaic scholar. Andrew is our friend and he deserves to be heard. I'd be personally satisfied if THE TRUTH COMMITTEE would tone it down to a dull roar. I don't want to see any hot-heads make it necessary to lock this thread.
In my opinion, discussion of the AENT is greatly needed but if the truth committee wants to take part in the discussion he/she will have to "bite his/her tongue", or be promptly banned.

Shlama,
Stephen Silver
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#18
Paul Younan Wrote:That's what I thought Akh Keefa, so it does have relevance because we are appealing to linguistics to help solve the debate. It's not just about when the Resurrection happened, for the sake of the debate. My vote is to keep it.

PS - please see my above post regarding the real identity of the "Committee".

Paul Younan Wrote:I think I know who this is! <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Moderators - what sayest thou? Committee vote here:

Should this post be deleted? Should the "Committee" be banned for attacking individuals and groups?

Quote:In an effort to make this forum as useful and as constructive as possible, any threatening, abusive, libelous, or defamatory information of any kind posted here will be removed. Personal insults or insults toward any community will not be tolerated and the entire post will be summarily removed, along with its replies.

I leave it to your discretion.

Has the so-called "truth" committee been sent a warning? That's usually what I do before I ban a user - warn them first, and thankfully I haven't banned anyone yet. Otherwise rules are rules, such posts are to be removed. Since akhan Stephen has given a good reason to keep the thread (for now), let's send him a warning if he posts again, though he might not come back now that we know who he is.
Shalom, Shlama, Salaam & Yiasou.
#19
Shlama Khatan Christina,

Great idea, a stern warning is in order.

Christina Wrote:...let's send him a warning if he posts again, though he might not come back now that we know who he is.

I'm just waiting for the "I was hacked" excuse for this post. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->
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#20
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Quote:I do agree with one thing from the "Committee", however. The thread concerning the 3-day resurrection doesn't belong here. Unless of course the purpose is somehow related to the text and the interpretation based on the Aramaic.

Yes, Paul, that is the reason I have wanted to get to the bottom of this question, hoping that the Aramaic can shed some light on the issue, since it is the Greek and English translations that have caused the debate. I have no position, but have posted the contenders for the truth and weighed them against the third, that I have heard here.

It is not a theological or doctrinal question for me, I just always wondered why the senerio never seems to line up with a Friday to Sunday reading of the Scriptures. And thus I was hoping that the Aramiac would show which was right conclusivley.

Anyway...

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#21
Paul wrote:

Quote:First correct guess wins!

My guess is Albion.... but I can hardly believe it based upon the lavish fawning over Mari that he did for many moons. But only a bubble that big could make a sound so loud when it pops I guess....And it does look and sound like his demeanor and style and the Iowa locale is right and the posters mention of the Way International Aramaic he talked about so often....it all seems to add up...but Ive never been wrong about anything, so.... <!-- sConfusedly: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sly.gif" alt="Confusedly:" title="Sly" /><!-- sConfusedly: -->

Anyway, what do I win?

A free copy of Mari perhaps? Hehe.

If not, maybe the Committee can send me their copy, since it is not worthy of them or their many other 1st editions of the Aramaic New Testament in English....

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#22
All I will say here is that anyone, even Truth Com, wants to talk about errors in Mari, he should list them and send them to info@aent,org so we can evaluate them and incorporate changes as any responsible first EDITION work would do. It's easy to make accusations here, why not make something good instead and come out of the shadows and tell Baruch at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@aent.org">info@aent.org</a><!-- e --> what you want changed?

And before those comparisons to me and Trimm continue, remember, I sent my PHYSICAL copies out when people bought them. I would also like to see if he is as open to feedback that doesn't send us to the ninth circile of hell but in other respects is constructive analysis as we are.

BUT SEND IT TO BARUCH SO HE CAN GO THROUGH THEM.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
#23
"Thirdwoe", people like you know nothing.

Your a KID, for Messiah's sake.

What do you know?

"Fawning" isn't wanting the BEST, it's kissing up to someone's backside.

I wanted the BEST, and I prayed fervently for it. Oh well.

Our BEST CHANCE for a real Eastern version of the Peshitta is NOW GONE.

If you weren't just trying to hurt me with your words, you'd wake up, and actually REALIZE THAT.

But as I said, your just a kid.

You, and everyone here, should be sitting in shiva, over this particular issue.

But you don't have enough spiritual sense and understanding to do this.

I will NEVER trust another "Nazarene". EVER.

Not as long as I live.

I loved this man more than my own BROTHER, and my expectations were VERY HIGH.

This Aramaic English New Testament is worth (MAYBE) $25.00 in it's present condition.

The discussion of it BELONGS HERE, where it cannot be controlled by THOSE WHO ARE SELLING IT.

Paul Younan will coddle satanic demonized hackers, and attack me, and CENSOR me, because we have very different understandings of what the word FREEDOM implies.

It's no wonder that the Assyrian Church of the East was submerged under radical Islam, if THIS is any indication of it's spiritual leadership!

I "fawned" over NO ONE.

I ABSOLUTELY EXPECTED THE BEST, and was misled, down 'the primrose path'.

You and your buddy Rungold can rest assured, that it WON'T EVER happen AGAIN!












Thirdwoe Wrote:Paul wrote:

Quote:First correct guess wins!

My guess is Albion.... but I can hardly believe it based upon the lavish fawning over Mari that he did for many moons. But only a bubble that big could make a sound so loud when it pops I guess....And it does look and sound like his demeanor and style and the Iowa locale is right and the posters mention of the Way International Aramaic he talked about so often....it all seems to add up...but Ive never been wrong about anything, so.... <!-- sConfusedly: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sly.gif" alt="Confusedly:" title="Sly" /><!-- sConfusedly: -->

Anyway, what do I win?

A free copy of Mari perhaps? Hehe.

If not, maybe the Committee can send me their copy, since it is not worthy of them or their many other 1st editions of the Aramaic New Testament in English....

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#24
Thirdwoe, you were correct! <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->
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#25
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Albion, I will gladly pay you $25.00 for your copy....C.O.D.

And when I get it, I will go over it and circle any errors and kindly and respectfully let the publisher know where they are for correction, so that the next edition will be better.

Brother, I find you to be a Soulish man and in need of repentance and Spiritual maturity. I admonish you to cry out to God and ask Him to help you find the heart and mind of Y'shua.

Your "Sitting in Shiva" statement above is weird and doesn???t sound like it comes from Truth of the Scriptures to me. Have you been dabbling in Hinduism perhaps?

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#26
Akhay Thirdwoe et al,

I'm compiling a list of known Albion "victims", please help me complete this list if I forgot anyone:

(a) Rev. David Bauscher
(b) James Trimm
© Yours Trooly
(d) Silver Crow
(e) Andrew Gabriel Roth

Is there anyone you've left out, Albion, from this crusade of yours? Why are you in constant need to be doing battle with everyone and everyone around you?

Are you here to actually contribute anything, or just to tear down those who are?

And to have stooped to this level, not having been man enough to use your real name and identity - posting cheap shots under an anonymouse (sic) identity.

Low blow, man. Low blow. <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: -->
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#27
The Truth Committee Wrote:You, and everyone here, should be sitting in shiva, over this particular issue.

But you don't have enough spiritual sense and understanding to do this.

Really? Akhan Otto didn't seem to have a problem with Mari and he knows a thing two about the Peshitta, so I think I'm gonna go with his judgement. And I remember that you were lucky enough to see the pre-published Mari Matthew and you raved about it. I get the feeling that this isn't about Andrew or Mari, but it's actually about you!

The Truth Committee Wrote:I will NEVER trust another "Nazarene". EVER.

Not as long as I live.

I loved this man more than my own BROTHER, and my expectations were VERY HIGH.

This Aramaic English New Testament is worth (MAYBE) $25.00 in it's present condition.

The discussion of it BELONGS HERE, where it cannot be controlled by THOSE WHO ARE SELLING IT.

If you really felt that way about akhan Andrew you would at least have the decency to complain to him IN PRIVATE, and you and I both know that he will drop everything to listen to you. He trusted you enough to show you the pre-published Matthew after all, and this is how you repay him? Your posting here under yet another username and publically trashing his years of hard work actually shows that YOU are the one that is not trustworthy!

The Truth Committee Wrote:Paul Younan will coddle satanic demonized hackers, and attack me, and CENSOR me, because we have very different understandings of what the word FREEDOM implies.

It's no wonder that the Assyrian Church of the East was submerged under radical Islam, if THIS is any indication of it's spiritual leadership!

That is absolutely cheap and low, and completely unacceptable and inexcusable <!-- s:angry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/angry.gif" alt=":angry:" title="Angry" /><!-- s:angry: --> <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: --> <!-- s:angry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/angry.gif" alt=":angry:" title="Angry" /><!-- s:angry: --> <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: --> and you deserve to be banned for it! Moderators: should we ban him for good? I vote yes, cast your votes.

Paul Younan Wrote:Akhay Thirdwoe et al,

I'm compiling a list of known Albion "victims", please help me complete this list if I forgot anyone:

(a) Rev. David Bauscher
(b) James Trimm
© Yours Trooly
(d) Silver Crow
(e) Andrew Gabriel Roth

Is there anyone you've left out, Albion, from this crusade of yours? Why are you in constant need to be doing battle with everyone and everyone around you?

Dawid.

Paul Younan Wrote:Are you here to actually contribute anything, or just to tear down those who are?

And to have stooped to this level, not having been man enough to use your real name and identity - posting cheap shots under an anonymouse (sic) identity.

Low blow, man. Low blow. <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: -->

Exactly. Absolutely shameful!
Shalom, Shlama, Salaam & Yiasou.
#28
I DID contact BOTH Andrew AND Baruch IN PRIVATE.

It did absolutely NO GOOD.

You've been wanting to ban me since you got "the power" Christina.

Go head, DON'T THREATEN.......do it!

Time will PROVE ME RIGHT. Wait and SEE.

This is another HRV deal, and we ALL got screwed. PERIOD.

Considering all of THE HATE for me on this list (generated by "Corvus Argentum", Latin for "Crow, Silver") WHY WOULD I USE *MY REAL NAME*? I mean duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Stupid IS, as stupid DOES. (Forrest Gump)
#29
About Mari/PEACE???
From: Buck Rogerman
Sent: Wed 10/29/08 2:22 PM
To:
Cc:

Dear Andrew and Baruch,


I want to communicate to you both, DO NOT write to me again at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:aramaic_albion@hotmail.com">aramaic_albion@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->, I'm currently using a Linux operating system on my computer, and it informed me last night that <!-- e --><a href="mailto:aramaic_albion@hotmail.com">aramaic_albion@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->, is "a pretend site", that is, it doesn't belong to MSN at all, but is coming in and out one of David Screeton's servers. So essentially, whenever you communicate with me using that address, you're communicating with him. Anything that either of you would send to me, you're sending to him, as well. The most dangerous part being what happens when your information passes through his computer, what does it have attached to it, perhaps nothing, perhaps a lot. But to be on the safe side, please do not use this address for me again. I tell you this as a friend to keep you both safe. Thank you very much for hearing me out about that subject.


OK, let me go on to a much brighter subject, Mari/PEACE. I want to thank you both, as well as Shali, for your very hard work on Mari/PEACE. I think the translation is well done, and precise. You know how much that I care for you, Andrew, and you know how much I look up to you. So if I could offer some constructive criticism at this point about Mari/PEACE, I think that we could make the next edition a much better New Covenant than the present one is. Let me enumerate how I think we could do this. Below are the changes that I think might be helpful in future editions.


1. I think instead of the rather flimsy cardboard cover that Mari/PEACE has on it now, that it would be better to either put a much thicker cardboard underneath the leatherette covering, or to put a flex cover on it and do away with the cardboard all together. I think that with the present covering on it, that if it is not handled very gently and carefully, I think it might last 1 year, 1-1/2 to 2 years, before the cover has to be replaced.


2. I know that all 3 of you, as well as other helpers, put great time and energy into trying to correct grammatical errors, typos, and spelling mistakes. However, it seems to me that in the first few pages that there were numerous typographical errors and spelling mistakes including something so simple as spelling "Mattai" as "Matti". It seems to me that there were a lot of typos and grammatical errors that simply slipped through the hard work that all of you did. This continues throughout a lot of the book of Matthew, where I am reading currently. Now, I know that you sent me a computer copy of Matthew's Gospel, but you must remember, because of David, I had to try to read the whole thing in one night before he went into my account and took it away from me, or my greatest fear (which never materialized) was that he would take the whole book that you to sent me, and publish it at Peshitta.org, and make it look like I did it. So I personally feel some guilt and responsibility for not being more studious in trying to have an editor's eye in reading Matthew's Gospel. I have had a chance to read through some of the appendices at the back of the book, and these also have numerous spelling mistakes and typos, as well as your introduction to the book itself.


3. I also think that if perhaps you could make the fonts a bit larger, that it would make it easier on old eyes such as mine, to read Mari/PEACE without having to hold it under a bright lamp. I would think that I'm not the only older person reading Mari, and I already know that you have a heart to serve your readers, so I would suggest this as also another option.


I want you both to please understand that these are criticisms from a friend, from someone who cares deeply about you both, and the work that you are doing. I want to be proud of a product that I had a very small part in, and I don't want the reading public to repudiate your translation because of typos, spelling mistakes, and grammatical errors. I think it's very important to understand that if these mistakes could be cleaned up, and perhaps a new cover put on Mari/PEACE, that you would have an excellent 100% edition of Mari/PEACE.


I basically have been afraid to write to you my real feelings about something which is so dear to all of our hearts, but I feel if I don't do this that I perform a disservice not only to you, but to the reading public, as well. It grieves me that I had to write this, but I felt that it was necessary and I owe you nothing less than the truth.


I would like to discuss one more phrase that I saw in your book and this is "the harlot church". You'll please excuse me for saying that I found this phrase spiritually offensive and every Body of Believers that I have been associated with, there have been some REAL Believers. This includes Protestant churches, sacramental churches, and even Conservative Friends meetings. There have been real Called Out people in all of these denominations. Which one of these is the "harlot church"? I think it is easier to lead people with something sweet than it is with something bitter, and this phrase, "the harlot church", is a bitter phrase.


Now I know probably more than most Gentiles would what the so-called "church" has done to your people in the past, and I might add, continues to do to this day, in some places in the world. But you know, in spite of that, you need to get rid of this phrase, "the harlot church".


I think that you want to uplift people with this translation and not have anyone feel put down by it. Think how those who are new to the Aramaic Primacy Movement and the Peshitta New Covenant in general, would take such a phrase, especially if they were inside a church.


Baruch asked me how I liked Mari/PEACE, and I wanted to be as honest with both of you as possible here. Again, please take my criticism as constructive from one who is a friend and who is on your side. I do think that the translation itself is very well done with the exceptions of the things I spoke about above. I hope that you take this in the spirit that it is written in, and are not offended in any way. I am your friend and continue to love you and count you as one of the Righteous people whom I have been blessed to know in this life. I'll stop this letter now and send it on to you both, and I hope that you have a great day. I would appreciate you letting me know how you feel about what I've written here, and if anything that I've said may be helpful to you.


Shlama, Albion




You people know NOTHING about combatting REAL MAGIC and the occult. Ignorant believers.

I've warned you and told you, you plug your ears, and REFUSE TO LISTEN!
#30
No, Khatan Christina, would be my vote. Let's think about this for a moment. Yes, I wanted to ban him at first too. But after a while, when I became more convinced that it was really Albion, my vote would be not to ban.

Reason being, and I feel this may come out wrong but here goes - I'd rather leave this thread up so that anyone who had any lingering doubts (ahem, Ryan) about Albion and his true character and his true agenda can realize why I sided with a "demonized hacker" (my apologies to Corvus Argentum) instead of Albion.

I'm normally a very good judge of character, and although I've never personally met Albion - he has called me on the telephone on numerous occasions. And the sense I got from our conversations was that this is not a good person, he does not know the Messiah that I know and that he really has some serious personal issues he needs to deal with within a professional and pharmaceutical framework.

Khati Christina, please don't ban him or delete this post for that will just play into his hands. He will continue to work behind the scenes to undermine us, test our limits and our tolerance of his childish actions. But let's not stoop to his level. For then he will have won.

And thank you for the addition of Dawid's name:

(a) Rev. David Bauscher
(b) James Trimm
© Yours Trooly
(d) Silver Crow
(e) Andrew Gabriel Roth
(f) Dawid

Anyone else who can think of another "Albion Victim", please feel free to respond.
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