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30 A.D to 50 A.D.
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Shlama:
I'm looking for an accurate timeline of first century New Testament events based upon the writing of the Peshitta, rather than the many assumptions within the time-frame of the Greek New Testament. When trying to source dates of events I get impossible situations such as the writing of Paul's epistles after 50 A.D. Of course this is always based upon the assumption that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, so late dates are common. From the standpoint of 50 A.D. the Peshitta New Testament was safely in the hands of the CoE progenitors. The apostle Thomas had the Peshitta New Testament with him in India in 53 A.D. So Paul's epistles were already written before 50 A. D.
So let's start with Yeshua's crucifixion and resurrection. Based upon Herod's rebuild of the Second Temple, which through independent sources began in 20 B.C. and counting 46 years, (John 2:20) this places us at the beginning of Yeshua's ministry in 26 A.D. Based upon this time frame the death and resurrection of Yeshua took place in 30 A.D., three and a half years later.
How are the events written in the book of Acts and Paul's epistles placed on a timeline from 30 A.D. to 50 A.D. when the New Testament Peshitta was completed. When was the stoning of Stephen and the conversion of Saul of Tarsus? What year was Cornelius' encounter with Shimon Kepha (Peter)? What year was the Jerusalem Counsel (Acts 15) I'm not that interested in the Western Five because I'm convinced that they were written after 50 A.D.

Shlama,
Stephen
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Shlama:
This excerpt is from Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book XX. This sets the time of the apostle James' (brother of Yeshua) death just after the death of Festus. Date please??This same Festus replaced Felix as mentioned in Acts 24:27.

CHAPTER 9.

CONCERNING ALBINUS UNDER WHOSE PROCURATORSHIP JAMES WAS SLAIN; AS ALSO WHAT EDIFICES WERE BUILT BY AGRIPPA.

1. AND now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, (23) who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. (24) Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.


Shlama,
Stephen
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Quote:From the standpoint of 50 A.D. the Peshitta New Testament was safely in the hands of the CoE progenitors. The apostle Thomas had the Peshitta New Testament with him in India in 53 A.D.

Where is the proof of this please?

I would like to look at it.

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You asked about James....

According to a passage in Josephus's Jewish Antiquities, (xx.9) "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" met his death after the death of the procurator Porcius Festus, yet before Lucceius Albinus took office (Antiquities 20,9) ??? which has thus been dated to 62. -Wikipedia article.

This occurance is not mentioned in Acts and it is noteworthy as well that the book of Acts ends before Paul's release from prison in 62. Also, it does not mention the extreme persecution that began under Emperor Nero in 64.

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"Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem.??? Gal 2:1...

Three years after his conversion he went up to Jerusalem for the 1st time (Gal 1:18); then fourteen years after that, he went up again which was the 3rd time mentioned in the Scriptures.

If this later trip to Jerusalem was the one in 50 or 51 then Paul's conversion must be at least 17 years behind this date...namely in 33 or 34 A.D.

I believe The Messiah was crucified in 30 A.D. not 33 A.D. and this would tend to make this true...

The 3rd visit spoken of was in A.D. 50 or 51. At that time we find that Paul and Barnabas and certain others went up to Jerusalem to see the Apostles and Elders about the question of the relation of the Gentile Christians to Judaism. See Ac 15:1,2. That this is the visit Paul means, is evident (1) because it is the right date; (2) the right persons are present, viz.: Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James, and (3) the right question is the one discussed.

One visit took place in A.D. 40 (Gal 1:10 Ac 9:22,23). Another, to carry relief at a time of famine, took place in A.D. 44 (Ac 11:30 12:25); and the third, here referred to, took place in A.D. 50 or 51.

So the question is.... did the Apostle Paul write all his letters to the Churches before he and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to meet with the Apostles in 50 or 51?

What was the year that Paul was 1st sent out of Antioch to Preach? If 33 or 34 A.D. is right for his conversion, then it must have been about 37A.D. when he was commissioned to Preach at Antioch, since after his conversion he 1st went into Arabia, then into Damascus for 3 years.

If this is all true, then we have 14 years for Paul to both Preach, Teach, set up the churches, and write his Letters to the those Churches after they got started all before 50 or 51 A.D. And this would be plenty of time I think....

But, did he write none of these Letters after 50 or 51 A.D. or while he was in prison in Rome? No one seems to have a clue when Paul died, but it was certainly before the end of 68 A.D. when Nero died. So, from say, 51 to 68 A.D. no letters were written? Tradition says that Paul was beheaded in 64 or 65 A.D. and if this is true, then there is about 15 years where none of these Letters were written if they were done before 50 or 51 A.D.

Not saying one way or the other, just wondering, cause I always thought that some were written while Paul was in Prison in Rome...anyone know when Paul was in Prison there? I think it speaks of two imprisonments right?

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Shlama:
You are correct. The crucifixion and resurrection of Yeshua Meshikha was in 30 A.D. and It just slipped my mind. Thanks for the correction. I've adjusted the heading. Now concerning the timeline, it would appear from pouring over the various dates given by various timelines that the Gospels preceeded the rest of the Peshitta in Adiabene, Nineveh, Ctesiphon and Babylon. However, by how long is still puzzling to me. I'm still probing and it's very sketchy at present.
The 22 book Peshitta all came together in Babylon and Nineveh sometime around the middle of the first century. Did that happen when Shimon Kepha was there? Did the last books of the Peshitta arrive later, perhaps 62 A.D.- 67 A.D.? There are various scholars that place the writings of some of Paul's epistles between 62 A.D. and 67 A.D. In this regard, what did Mar Thoma take with him to India around 52 A.D.?

This is just one timeline for the writing of Paul's epistles.
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The most important question that I'd love to have a definitive answer to with cross-references is....
When was the entire Peshitta text consolidated in Babylon and Nineveh ?

Shlama w'Burkate,
Stephen Silver
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Stephen Silver Wrote:Shlama:
You are correct. The crucifixion and resurrection of Yeshua Meshikha was in 30 A.D. and It just slipped my mind. Thanks for the correction. I've adjusted the heading. Now concerning the timeline, it would appear from pouring over the various dates given by various timelines that the Gospels preceeded the rest of the Peshitta in Adiabene, Nineveh, Ctesiphon and Babylon. However, by how long is still puzzling to me. I'm still probing and it's very sketchy at present.

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I've been wondering about the bible chronology as well but how can we understand Luke 3:1? Because Luke gave us the following time frames.

The 15th of Tiberius Caesar which must have been in the year Sept 28-sept 29 CE.
Then John preached for half a year when Jesus started his mission.
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Quote:I've been wondering about the bible chronology as well but how can we understand Luke 3:1? Because Luke gave us the following time frames.

The 15th of Tiberius Caesar which must have been in the year Sept 28-sept 29 CE.
Then John preached for half a year when Jesus started his mission.

Shlama:
From a Biblical perspective,the reconstruction of theTemple by Herod was in 20 B.C. and Yeshua appears in the Temple at Passover 46 years later. (John 2:20) That's 26 A.D. unless I've added wrong.

Reconstruction on the Great Temple in Jerusalem is begun by King Herod Agrippa.
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Contradictions of dates between secular sources and the Bible is one of the problems that arises when we try to cross-reference time-lines. Nevertheless, if I can get an approximate date of the Peshitta's consolidation of 22 books in Babylon, within a range of 3-5 years I'll be able to personally work with that as a base. As of now, I don't even know the decade when the 22 book Peshitta text arrived in Babylon. As far as I know, Thomas is listed as the first CoE Patriarch, arrived in Babylon in 33 A.D. Obviously he did not bring the 22 book Peshitta with him.

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However Shimon Kepha wrote his epistle while in Babylon. (I Peter 5:13) What year was this? Did Shimon Kepha have the gospel's with him at that time?

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Stephen
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Shlama Akhi Stephen,

A major obstacle is the lack of contemporary accounts from that time period. As you stated previously, the 22-book collection obviously didn't appear all at once but was a gradual process that took probably decades. I doubt there existed anymore than the Gospels at most when Shimon was in Babylonia. Even then it may have just been Matthew's Gospel at first, I would imagine Luke's came by much later than the rest via Antioch....long after Shimon had departed from Mesopotamia and had been martyred in Rome (if indeed that was a historical fact). Paul's letters were probably copied and sent all over, to Mesopotamia most likely via the hands of Mari and Addai of the Seventy.

I'm just throwing out the most likely scenarios and obviously don't have any proof of any of these theories.
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Shlama Akhi Paul:
Thank you for being candid. I had a hunch that the first century independent historical records would be sparse. Perhaps in the near future something will be found to add to the historical record.

Shlama,
Stephen
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distazo Wrote:I've been wondering about the bible chronology as well but how can we understand Luke 3:1? Because Luke gave us the following time frames.

The 15th of Tiberius Caesar which must have been in the year Sept 28-sept 29 CE.
Then John preached for half a year when Jesus started his mission.

An alternate time frame might be this.

According to wikipedia

Quote:Thus, when in AD 13, the powers held by Tiberius were made equal, rather than second, to Augustus's own powers, he was for all intents and purposes a "co-princeps" with Augustus, and in the event of the latter's passing, would simply continue to rule without an interregnum or possible upheaval.

Thus if 13 AD was his first year 27 AD (not 28) would be his 15th year.

You might find this of some interest.

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Y'shua was Crucified on the Preparation day of the Passover in 30 A.D. having died about 3PM that afternoon.

If you look at the Jewish calendar for both 30 and 33 A.D. it will become very clear what year it really was.

If it were 33 A.D. he would have died Friday afternoon and rose Sunday morning just before dawn. Friday night to Saturday night is just two nights and Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is less than two days.... which of course don't at all jive with what Jesus said about Him being like Jonah in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights....

On the other hand, 30 A.D. works perfectly and you get a complete 3 days and 3 nights worth of time from death to Resurrection....

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According to the scholarly studies of Harold W. Hoener (Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ, Academie Books, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1977):

Messiah was born in the Winter of 5/4 BC;
Pilate arrived in Judea 26 AD;
Commencement of John the Baptist's ministry, 29 AD;
Messiah's first Passover, April 7, 30 AD;
Messiah's last week, March 28 - April 5, 33 AD;
Resurrection, Sunday, April 5, 33 AD;
Day of Pentecost, Sunday, May 24, 33 AD.

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If the messiah died in 30 AD, the crucifixion would have to have been on Wednesday, April 5. The scriptures and tradition both support a Friday crucifixion.

Otto
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Also, if the messiah died in 30 AD, the resurrection must have occurred on the Saturday afternoon, April 8, 72 hours after his death. But the scriptures tell us that Sunday is the Lord's day. On the other hand we only know that he had already risen on Sunday morning.

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