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On this special day....
Shlama to all--

I just wanted to take a moment and remember with everyone what happened on this day 7 years ago. I don't know if I ever mentioned it, but my mother told me once I lost a distant cousin in the terror attacks. He was a firefighter trapped in Tower 1. What was more close to home however was that my Aunt Marion and young cousin Ivy lived in that part of Manhattan. Ivy went to a private school only a few miles away from Ground Zero and for a few hellish hours, we could not get a hold of her and were very, very scared for her safety. She was fine of course, and is now a 2nd year Law Student at John Jay College. But back then, she was just a scared 13 year old whose Bat Mitzvah I attended just months before. For me, my face of Sept 11th was Ivy.

But I must remember that Ivy was not one of the victims of these attacks, praise Yah. So many others though were no so lucky, and on that fateful day America found out finally what it was like to be the state of Israel, but I would rather they have their ignorance back in exchange for the lives that were lost to return to us.

So today is not about theology and it's not about politics and opinions. It is about remembrance and respect, and yes, I am kind of used to doing these things at this sacred time of year in "the Yuntif Zone" as one rabbi recently put it to me.

To all those who grieve because of the terror attacks, let me just say:

Baruch haba b'shem YHWH! (Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yahweh)

Y'vararekh 'kha Yahweh v'yishmaerekha (May Yahweh bless and keep you)

Ya'er Yahweh panav eleikha v'chunekka (May Yahweh make His countenance shine upon you and be gracious to you.)

Yissa Yahweh panav eleikha v'yasem l'kha shalom (May Yahweh lift up His countenance towards you and give you peace.)

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Recently, there was a new report about 'Building 7' of the World trade Center, and why it fell at about 5:20 PM that afternoon.

In rememberence of those who died, I think it needs to be said, that Building 7 was a CONTROLLED DETONATION.

Not that crazed Arab hijackers did NOT fly into the other buildings, but that we have been misled as to the FULL STORY of 9/11.

I absolutely believe that planes impacted those buildings, but there were MANY accounts from Fire Fighters and Policemen of SECONDARY explosians BEFORE and AFTER the plane impacts.

There were EYEWITNESSES to the shoot down of Flight 93 in Penn.

Not that brave Americans did not struggle against crazed Arab hijackers, I believe that they did. But Flight 93 was brought down by a sidewinder missle launched from an F-16.

There were multiple eyewitnesses (including the Mayor of Shanksville,PA. who later was forced to recant this story) to this shootdown.

The Pentagon was NOT hit by the sort of airplane that we were told hit it, there definately would have been TWO airplane engines recovered within the Pentagon IF the story we were told was true............these engines were NEVER recovered.

The Pentagon was impacted with something else besides an airliner.

I understand that these are drastic conclusions, but our Constitution was pretty much shredded because of these attacks.

The U.S. Army Intelligence group 'Able Danger' KNEW AT LEAST ONE FULL YEAR BEFORE 9/11 what was coming, but was prevented from telling their story to other Intelligence Agencies, until AFTER THE FACT.

I'm telling you that SOME OF THIS was an "inside Job" aided by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

I challenge you to check out the You Tube photos of the destruction of Building 7, they are telling, damning in fact.

Call me a nut, say I'm crazy, but when ALL of the evidence is in, 9/11 could have been prevented by a Government that knew that it was coming.

Many Brave people died that day, and it DIDN'T have happen the way that it did.

Dear Rafa,

On the morning of 9/11 my ex-wife called me and said: "Turn on the radio, something is happening at The World Trade Center" (we didn't have cable TV till that afternoon....).

The radio announcer said; "The World Trade has been hit by two jetliners, and the Pentagon has been hit by another, and a fourth airliner has been shot down by the USAF over Penn."

This was a live feed from an NBC News person.

I heard that story THAT ONE TIME, and I NEVER HEARD IT AGAIN.

Go figure.............

Shlama, Albion
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Please, please, akhay. There can only be hellish nightmares ahead of us in this thread, if a debate over the *true story* behind 9/11 is allowed to continue. I, too, know more of the sad and ugly truth as Albion is trying to suggest, but the fact remains, that it is such a hyper-sensitive issue to every American, and others across the world, that only *more war* can possibly ensue here in this thread, if we decide to entertain conspiratology vs. mainstream media accounts. There are plenty of places on the internet for discussions on this, and it doesn't really promise much positive fruit ahead of us I can portend, to try and hash it out here. I certainly don???t advocate the suppression of truth of any kind whatsoever, of course, but I'd hate to see fellow Peshitta Primacists rifted over THIS issue - that's all. But yes, there are plenty of documentaries and scholarly organizations out there now, who've spent much time and resources trying to get to the bottom of this; I???d certainly commend each and every concerned believer in pursuing ???the other side of the argument??? ??? much like we do here at the Forum with Greek and Old Scratch. I personally gravitate towards Theocracy, and find that the only government truly worth trusting, is the one where YHWH Himself is Commander-in-Chief. Till that time, every single government in current existence remains suspicious to me, for they are quite simply not run by YHWH Himself. ALL THE MORE REASON to remain united, not divided.

Think about this for a moment: Terrorism is not so much the presence of chaos, as it is the absence of Divine Presence (order). Look to His Face, and He Himself will lay out ALL truth before you.

It's been wisely said anyways, that: "Most people don't want the truth ... they're looking for answers to confirm their prejudices."

Sound reasonable?
I don't know if 'in between the lines' that I'm being called "anti-Semitic" or not, but I HIGHLY resent the implication if that is what you mean.

Anyone that knows me, KNOWS that I Love the Jewish people!

If you believe that ALL of 9/11 was orchestrated by the Saudi's, than your more than stupid!

Ryan is right, the BEST "Government" would be YHWH's.......but until then, there's NO government, like NO GOVERNMENT.

This is my last post on this subject.

You've been pretty much after me, ever since my post about ancient British churches. And I'm done.


Rafa Wrote:Don't get me wrong- I'm a connoisseur of bizarre conspiracy theories. Don't believe me? Then just ask Andrew about some of the preposterous stuff I asked him about. I am open minded, trust me. Just that everytime I dig into one of these 9/11 conspiracy theories it turns out to be very catchy at face value, but very simplified when researched in greater depth. I also don't like the antisemitic overtone of some of these theories (some of them)- in Egypt 43% of the population thinks the Jewish secret service did 9/11 (!!!) It has also been reported that Shiites are spreading these theories as part of a propaganda campaign. I have heard them all, and observing the behavior of Islamic extremists I see absolutely zero reason to believe your goverment did this. They might have known about it sure, but they didn't "set the bomb" or whatever inside the world trade center. Still, if you have a differing opinion it is not my role to condemn you. Just that we must be cautious about something this serious.
On this special day, a man who was funded by the CIA during the 1980s attacked our own soil. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, not that it should have occurred.
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