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Heresy of Polygamy Has Infiltrated the Netzarim!
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From Joel's Trumpet:

Subject: Dangerous Cult - Beware. From Walid Shoebat

You need to beware of this false Rabbi Moshe Koniuchowsky alongside Simon Altaf who turned polygamist and cultist of the first order. And let the Messianic movement circulate this and beware of this cult. What is included here are links and testimonies of his activities, they include slavery, polygamy, cult behaviour to supposedly propagate the seed of Israel through sex and plural marriages. It is probably one of the most disgusting and dangerous cults I have ever ran into during my life in ministry, especially amongst the Messianic Movement. This cult which attaches itself to the Nazarene movement is hardly Nazarene. I have accumulated a litany of confessions from Simon Altaf himself, his wife, and Moshe Koniuchowsky himself. When confronted with the facts of this cultic behavior Simon Altaf went to Moshe Koniuchowsky and Moshe told him to cut off communication with me since we the Christians are now evil and only they are the true Nazarene believers. See for yourself:


Nazarene Doctrine of Polygamy

Moshe Koniuchowsky

Here is a letter that Koniuchowsky issued to his congregation in which he announces that he will add a wife alongside Simon Altaf in order to propagate the new seed of Israel. Also below is a letter from a student of his in which instead of teaching him to be Rabbi in the school chose to make him his personal slave. He worked his slave so hard that the poor man broke his back only be dumped by the so called phony Rabbi:

LETTER TO CONGREGANTS FROM RABBI Moshe Koniuchowsky

Shalom YATI Nation,

In recent days because of our biblical stand, ONLY on and for YHWH???s Word which never changes, Rivkah and I have lost friends and supporters who have decided to follow their emotions or feelings. Like a friend in the ministry told me ???prepare to be described in such vile terms, with lies and FALSE WITNESS, that people who really do know you, won???t recognize who they are talking about. Thankfully Rebbetzin Rivkah is a real woman willing to follow me and YHWH into all of His will and she is a giant of a woman, whose love and trust for me is amazing. Rather than destroy our marriage, the possibility of another Israelite wife has reenergized our marriage and love and admiration for one another as fellow pioneers in Israel???s restoration! I have rarely seen a woman so selfless, who puts YHWH first all the time, regardless of her own thoughts. She is more of a jewel than I ever knew!

I have been threatened by a former Palestinian terrorist and have been blamed for bad marriages. Among the names we have been called are slobs, ugly, dirty, perverts, sickos and failures; this despite 24 years of loving and faithful service to YHWH and His people.

But guess what? Someone has to bear the marks of Yahshua in their body and allow me to join you (other truth standers) in doing so gladly; for now I know the true meaning of ???I count all things including my hard earned reputation and impeccable character as DUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the Excellency of knowing ALL about Mar Yah-Yahshua, my blessed Redeemer, who NEVER CHANGES at least in Margate Florida.

Although it appears that He has changed in other parts of the world, if you listen to the stupidity of my accusers. Anyway, now that I???ve gotten that off my chest, please redouble your prayers and gifts to us so we can continue to keep our head above the rising water.


?????????????????????????????????

End of Moshe K???s e-mail to YATI.

LETTER FROM SIMON ANNOUNCING HIS POLYGAMOUS MARRIAGE
:

Walid,

YOu are my friend and like a brother that is why I gave you some information. I dont??? need permission from man I have it from YHWH.

The woman???s name is Salmah, not married, single, 25, ex-Muslim, she had explicit dreams of seeing me in her bedroom holding her hands, then she saw me in her room as I am inside her body.. There were other dreams but don???t challenge me because I walk closely to YHWH and He has shown His will. I know you are Mr Skeptic but I am Mr Yes Sir to YHWH.

Not married yet but will be shortly in September. Clearly I am not registering this marriage but it will be a marriage performed by a Rabbi in the eyes of YHWH. Yes she is a believer just like me and had come to faith 2 yrs ago.

YHWH explicity told me how is not important. Now I then prayed to YHWH to send visions and dreams to the person???s family because I am not going to tell people I want to marry you.

He sent explicit dreams to the girls???s aunt, mum and the girl herself. Three separate witnesses. I still love Aaliyah and will always do, she is my wife and that will not change. This is my number two and I will keep trying to bring Aaliyah back even it takes me my whole life. I have already told Aaliyah there is no such thing as divorce, we are married forever not for a season. I know she is unhappy Walid but she is fighting agaist the will of the Father.

He loves her and wants her to reproduce but how can that happen if she won???t even talk to me.

Shalom Shalom (peace peace)

Blessings in Yahushua
L???Chaim B???Yahushua (Life in Yah/YHWH He is salvation)
Rav Simon

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LETTER FROM RABBI Koniuchowsky???s PRIVATE SLAVE:

From: Edgar Lugo
To: UONYC Teaching Letter
Cc: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:ebenyahu@hotmail.com">ebenyahu@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->; <!-- e --><a href="mailto:yoel@arm-tek.net">yoel@arm-tek.net</a><!-- e -->
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:23:30 PM
Subject: A LETTER OF ONE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS

SHALOM TRUE BROTHERS IN ABBA YAHUWEH & YAHUSHUA HAMOSHIACH, I PRAISE AND THANK YAHUWEH FOR YOUR FREE SERVICE TO THE BRETHERN. RECENTLY I HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF RABBI MOSHE YOSEPH KONIOCHOWSKY, WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS A SUPERSTAR MENTALITY THAT DOMINATES PEOPLE AND SERVES MAMMON OVER YAHUWEH DESCRIBES SUCH A MAN AS RABBI MOSHE!!!!!!! I WAS ONE OF HIS RABBIS IN TRAINNING AT THE SHUL IN NORTH MIAMI BEACH, I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 5 MONTHS AND WORKED AS HIS OWN PERSONAL SLAVE FOR HIM BEING AT HIS BECK AND CALL DOING EVERYTHING THAT HE TELLS ME WHAT TO DO, I HAVE EVEN PUT HIM BEFORE MY OWN FAMILY TO MY OWN HURT AND DESTRUCTION, THIS MAN CONTROLS AND MANIPULATES EVERYONE AND FLEECES THE SHEEP AND KEEPS ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE AND MORE MONEY!!!!!! WHILE IN SERVICE TO HIM HE TREATED ME AS IF I WAS HIS INDENTURED SERVANT AND AS IF YAHUWEH HAD MADE HIM MASTER OVER ME AS IF I WAS SOLD INTO SLAVERY. AND I DID SERVE AS A FAITHFULL SERVANT WHOLEHEARTEDLY AS UNTO YAHUWEH. 2 WEEKS AGO I HAD INJURED MY BACK AND SLIPPED A LOWER DISK IN MY LOWER LEFT SIDE OF MY BACK, AND AFTER NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO SHUL FOR 2 SHABBATS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO WORK FOR HIM FOR 1 WEEK, THIS MAN RABBI MOSHE JOSEPH K HAS DISCARDED ME AND TREATED ME AS IF I WAS NOTHING TO HIM!!!! HE DID NOT EVEN COME AND VISIT ME AND PRAY FOR ME AND ANNOINT MY HEAD WITH OIL AND MAKE SURE I AM OK OR ASK TO HELP ME ONE OF THE SHEEP WHO WAS STUDYING TO BE A SHEPHERD UNDER HIM. HE HAS HUMILATED ME AND MURDERED AND ASSINATED MY REPUTATION AND CHARACTER IN PUBLIC BEFORE THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION AND MADE CHEAPSHOTS AT ME IN THE SHUL LIVE ON THE YATI ONE INTERNET RADIO, AND HAS TOLD A FEW PEOPLE OVER THE PHONE SOME LIES ABOUT ME TO JUST DISCREDIT ME AND COVER UP HIS OWN SINS AND PROTECT HIS OWN REPUTATION. THIS MAN IS A MERCHANDISER AND PROSTITUTES THE WORD OF YAHUWEH AND EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE TAG ON IT, AND HE CARES MORE ABOUT PEOPLES MONEY RATHER THAN THE PEOPLE AND HE SHOWS PARTIALITY FOR THOSE WHO TITHE AND BUY MORE OF HIS TRAFFIC AND MERCHANT OF THE WORD OF YAHUWEH. THERE IS A WHOLE LIST OF ABOUT 25 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MISTREATED RECENTLY AND ABBUSED AND LIED ABOUT AND HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED BY THIS MAN AND HE USES THE BEMA IN THE SHUL TO LAUNCH PERSONAL ATTACKS ON PEOPLE TO DISCREDITED THEM AND MAKES JOKES ABOUT THEM AND MOCKS THEM AND MANIPULATES SCRIPTURE IN SUCH A WAY TO HAVE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT HE IS RIGHT AND THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND ALL IS DONE LIVE ON THE INTERNET RADIO AND IN HIS SERMONS AS WELL AS IN THE MOED HALL WHERE PEOPLE SIT DOWN TO EAT, HE HAS TRASHED A PREVIOUS ELDER THAT WAS THERE FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HE HAS CURSED HE AND CONDEMED HER TO DEATH AND HOPES AND PRAY FOR HER CANCER TO QUICKLY COME AND TAKE HER LIFE, HE HAS SENT HORRIFYING EMAILS OF THREATS AND WORD CURSING TO HER AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE, WHERE IS THE LOVE OF YAHUSHUA IN HIS ACTIONS??? BECAUSE THEY AS WELL AS I HAVE STOOD UP FOR THE TRUTH AND ALL THOSE THAT DONT WANT TO PLAY RELIGION AND WHO DONT WANT TO COVER UP HIS SINS AND BACK HIM UP ARE DISCARDED TO THE STREETS AND MOCKED AT. THIS IS ONE OF THE FALSE SHEPHERDS THAT YERMEYAHU CHAPTER 23 SPEAKS OF WHO FEED HIS PEOPLEAND WHO SCATTER HIS SHEEP AND DOES NOT VISIT THEM, THIS MAN HAS TO BE STOPPED AND THE ONLY WAY HE CAN BE STOPPED IS BY TAKING THE MINISTRY TO THE STREETS AND TO DO THE TRUE WILL OF ABBA YAHUWEH WHICH IS TO AID THE WIDOW AND FEED THE POOR AND DO WHATS RIGHT IN HIS SIGHT AND TO UPHOLD THE CAUSE OF THE WIDOW AND VISIT THE POOR AND FATHERLESS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM AND PLEAD THE CASE FOR THE OPPRESSED AND NEEDY AND START THIS SOCIAL AND SPIRITUAL REVELUTION FOR ALOT OF THESE PASTORS, REVERENS, MINISTERS, TEACHERS, PRIEST AND RABBIS ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF AND FEEDING YAHUSHUAS SHEEP AS HE ASKED KEPHA TO DO 3 TIMES!!!!!!! I AM FED UP, AND I AM GOING TO CRY OUT LOUD AND PREPARE A HIGHWAY FOR YAHUWEH OUR ELOHIM??? ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS GET MY RABBINICAL ORDINATION TO ONLY PROVE TO PPEOPLE THAT WHICH I ALREADY KNOW THAT IAM WHICH IS A TEACHER AND A SERVANT OF YAHUWEH WHO WOULD TRULY SERVE THE PEOPLE AND NOT LOOK TO BE SERVED. AND IN EVERYTHING THAT I WILL DO WILL BE FOR CHARITY UNTO YAHUWEH. I HAD MOVED FROM LAS VEGAS NEVADA TO TAMARAC FLORIDA TO JOIN THE HOMELESS MINISTRY AND STREET MINISTRY AND TO MY SURPRISE HE COLLECTS MONEY FROM PEOPLE ONLINE AND KEEPS THE MONEY AND DOES NOT GIVE THE MONEY TO GO FEED THE POOR. THIS MAN IS A THIEF AND HAS ROBBED YAHUWEHS TITHING AND HAS TAKEN AWAY RIGHTEOUS FOOD FROM ABBA YAHUWEHS TABLE. I HAVE SEEN MYSELF AS WELL AS OTHERS WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE, AND HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED AND EXPOSED OF IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOUR RABBINICAL CORSE FOR ORDINATION AND GET MY CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION SO THAT I CAN START YAHUWEHS TRUE MINISTRY, OF WHICH I WILL DO SOON AS SOON AS I CAN GET MY BACK HEALED. WOULD YOU PLEASE HELP OUT A BROTHER TO COUNTER ACT THIS FALSE PROPHET OF MERCHANDISE WHO TEACHES LIES FOR THE SAKE OF CONTROVERSY AND PUTS ON A SHOW AND ALWAYS COMPLAINS FOR THE MOST PART THAT THE TITHING WAS LOW. THIS MAN HAS ADMITTED TO ME THAT HE WANTS TO BUY A VACATION HOUSE BUT DOES NOT WORK AND I HAVE WITNESSED MISUSE OF YAHUWEHS MONEY TO DECORATE HIS HOUSE AND LANDSCAPING, BECAUSE I WAS USE TO DO PART OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THAT IS HOW I HURT MY BACK WORKING LONG HOURS WITHOUT TAKING A BREAK???. PLEASE HELP ME TO STOP THIS SUPERSTAR THAT DOMINATES CONFERENCES AND LEADERSHIP, THE TIME HAS COME TO COUNTER ACT THESE FALSE PROPHETS WHO USE THE SACRED NAME OF YAHUWEH TO GAIN WEALTH UNLAWFULLY??????. YOUR BROTHER IN YAHUSHUA HAMOSHIACH, SERVANT ELBENYAHU AKA EDGAR LUGO SON OF YAHUWEH


LETTER OF COMPLAINT FROM SIMON???S WIFE HER HUSBAND JOINED A CULT:

Hi Walid,

I???m afraid Simon has lost the plot, is involved in a cult and right now is under a demonic attack and possessed.

He???s been acting very strangely ever since he got involved with these lunatics from Florida. He corrected the teaching of a self professing Rabbi who has written the vilest book imaginable and has rubbed HaShem???s holy name in dirt. It???s called ???sex and the believer??? and it???s disgusting.. You can get it from the YATI website, it???s disgusting and totally carnal. Aside from being proponents of polygamy they are obsessed with having as many women and children as possible and creating ???seed for HaShem???. The book mentions lewd things like if you have too many wives, you can have a male concubine, make your wife satisfied so that she does not feel ???neglected???. The book uses words like ???now ladies go find yourself a male, but don???t forget to tell your hubby??????along those lines. They have been obsessed with it for months and seem to be more concerned about how many wives they will have in the millenium rather than being in the presence of Yahushua our Messiah.

Go on this website: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://nazarene-yisraelite-marriages.com/">http://nazarene-yisraelite-marriages.com/</a><!-- m -->

This is a Simon Altaf creation, although he has not put his name on it which the Ruach HaKodesh led a brother in the faith to. The fomat, jargon is clearly Simon Altaf style, YATI the cult (all of whom have defiled HaShem???s name with that vile book) is mentioned and the address at the bottom is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Nazarene63@googlemail.com">Nazarene63@googlemail.com</a><!-- e -->. <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Shimoun63@yahoo.com">Shimoun63@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> may ring a bell.

They are cold and heartless people who are very manipulative. They used phrases at this conference in North Carolina from 9th July - 12 July like:

???husbands lay your hands on your wife, tell her you love her and reassure her UNTIL SHE COMES TO AN UNDERSTANDING???.

???Rabbi???s must do to pave the way??? etc etc.

At first they were saying plural marriages are optional just like monogamy is optional but that have now taken it to be a commandment to create ???seed for Israel???.

The sanctimonious leaders wife said to me that I should trust my husband and then coldly said to me when I was crying on the phone in the early hours of Monday morning after flying back from North Carolina on Sunday (when simon told me on the way back from the airport that HaShem has told him to take another wife and make seed for Israel and that he needs to have 10 children in 5 years). This cold heartless woman said that is the organisations doctrine that I should submit to and that I had two choices either to accept it or leave. I trust in HaShem! not Simon Altaf or the demon he???s possessed with.

He???s lost the plot and his behaviour is inconsistent. First he said HaShem told him he???s from Ephraim (that???s fine as spiritually Ephraim represents the nations), 6 months ago he told me and a bunch of other people that HaShem told him he???s from the tribe of Judah and now HaShem is telling him he???s from the tribe of Levi!

He keeps saying he loves me, even now, but when I was pleading with him for 11 hours in the late hours of Sunday and early hours of Monday his eyes looked empty and emotionless???there was no expression. While I was crying and packing my suitcase he was sleeping soundly. 6 weeks ago when I came to know about this, not about the contents of book or the website above, He took me to Nando and told me that he is re-newing his vows with me and he vows in HaShem???s holy name that he will never marry another woman.

The YATI Cult leader asked his wife that if she became sick would she allow him another wife to which she replied yes. Horrible people as they are why the hell would you think about who you can get off with when your wife is ill. Wouldn???t you be there for her, support her, comfort her, love her in her hour of need? Pure selfishness. I then asked Simon when he made this vow 6 weeks ago what if I become ill? He said he would still not look at another woman and that he loves me etc etc.

This YATI cult have hailed him as THE end times prophet and put him on a pedestal. Everyone in and out of this cult has always praised him saying how much knowledge and understanding he has of scripture and what a charismatic person he is and that has gone to his head. He thinks he???s one of the chosen few who hear directly from HaShem etc.

While a close friend of ours was trying to reason with him on Monday evening his personality showed all the colours of the rainbow.

He said to Tehseen (a brother whose house I???m staying in with his wife Shakaina) that he can ???shove his YesuMasih ministry up his backside???. Is that any way to talk? We know the Messiah???s name was not Jesus or Yesu or Yeshu but wouldn???t you think twice before using these profane words. People do come to faith in Jesus name???I did, so did Simon and probably even you.

He greeted Tehseen like a brother giving him a huge and when Tehseen pointed out about him saying he???s from Ephraim, Jadah, Levi directly from HaShem he became very agitated saying Tehseen was mocking him (I can assure you he was not!), then he smiled and 5 minutes later he said he???s going to break Tehseen???s teeth. 20 minutes later he said ???I???m glad she???s going with you, at least I???ll know she???s safe??? ??????????????????????????

The whole bunch of them dress like lunatics and any one with half a brain can see they are a cult. They may call on the true names but they are a cult. They wear a cap with YHWH written on it in hebrew and paleo hebrew and wear these tunic things thinking they are priests. Nutcases!

I have not responded to any text messages, phone calls and not even bothered opening any e-mails from him since Monday with his constant I love you???s and I miss you???s. The demon in him thinks he can manipulate me as does that cult because I am a woman and must therefore be emotional and easy to manipulate. I don???t think so nothing in this world will allow me to stand with people who have bought HaShem???s holy name to nought! They have done an evil evil thing and I am praying that HaShem forgives him. He has opened the door to unclean spirits and allows Moshe Konichouski (Not sure how you spell it) and his cult to massage his ego and it???s gone to his head.

Look at the statement of faith on that website and read beyond the following statement:

****if you do not hold to plural marriage as allowed in YHWH???s Word, go no further please. If you have seen these alternatives as kosher please feel free to continue.

This is satanic???they are holding plural marriage and all the other rubbish in the book as a pre-requisite to faith i.e. don???t bother going on to the next level (most of which is true) unless you accept the first part! Pure evil and that???s satan at his best.

Shalom in the true faith in Yahushua,

Aaliyah (I changeed my name by deed a couple of years ago)



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This grieves me deeply Rafa, as I am also a Netzari (though not a practicing one as there's no Netzari Shul where I live, how else can I learn Torah?), but more so because Simon Altaf is one of my favourite prophecy teachers! I bought 2 of his books and have recommended his work in the past, and also bought a copy of Konuchiowsky's YAI translation of the Bible - Restoration Scriptures: True Name Edition Study Bible. Now I feel so bummed that I finacially contributed to a cult! Konuchiowsky seems to have lots in common with James Trimm by the looks of things.
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To: glscottnz

I recieved your PM and sent you a reply but it doesn't seem to be going through. Would you mind PMing your email address to me so I can email my reply in case it doesn't go through? Hey akhi Albion, is that hacker fella that you know up to his old tricks again? For a quite a while now, I can receive PMs but can't send any! Akh Paul, help?
#4
Akhai this is way worse than I thought. Couldn't find much else on Moshe K. but Simon Altaf, has posted some new articles on his site Abrahamic Faith, which reveal the true depth of his depravity. And he even uses akhi Paul's interlinear Peshitta, right here on this site, to drag MarYah Y'shua's Holy Name through the mud!!! Even though he puts a different name on the articles, those familiar with his writing can immediately tell that it's him (seems he's pulling "Trimm", but then again I could be wrong). All this filth can be read in the following pdf files:

Torah or Not Torah Regarding Polygyny?

Marriage and Sex in the World to Come?

Killing a Dear Lamech?

Excuse me? Last time I checked "dear" Lamech is one of the bad guys in the Bible, or did I miss something???

And finally what seems to be a "promotional letter" from YAI (I know it's from them because I can tell from the style of the file name), which has no name on it, but was probably written by him or Moshe K, on this new "Nazrene" Marriage site his wife Aliayah said he created:

Chapter Eight: The Two Houses - A Picture of Two Brides

What utter blasphemy!!! The Bible says ONE bride NOT two! Altaf's view of a polygamous, orgiastic mellinium resembles the paradise verses in the Quran about the Houris - those 72 virgins that entice suicide bombers to die for their false god. Altaf's behaviour resembles that of Muhammad (whom Altaf used to follow as he was once a Muslim) NOT Y'shua, and since Muhammad was Simon's original name, perhaps he should change it back IMO!!!

I'll leave you with one sample before I go.

(Akhi Paul, I hope I'm not taking things too far by quoting this, and if you think I'm out of line by all means tell me so. But I really don't like what he's doing with your honest and hard work, using it to justify his evil heresy, how you handle this from here is up to you, I'm behind you all the way):

From the Torah or Not Torah Regarding Polygyny?, pg 14-16:

How does Yahushua portray Himself?

Mattityahu/Matthew 25:1???10:

1???Then shall the kingdom of Heaven be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps, and went forth to meet the Bridegroom and the bride. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the Bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, See, the Bridegroom comes; go out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, Give us from your oil; for our lamps have gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there not be enough for you and us: instead go to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.10 And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.???

13 Ten: representing ten returning tribes of Efrayim, who hear and accept the latter???day revelation of the regathering.
14 Peshitta. Efrayim is called to meet Messiah and the true Torah keeping bride, but not all Efrayim responds.

If one reads footnote 13 with the assumption that the ten tribes are only guests or ???bridesmaids???, who then does that leave to be the bride? Yehudah and Benyamin only? And even they are two. (Because of that I would question footnote 13???s representation of the 10 tribes, because then one would have to conclude that only 5 comprise the bride(s) of Moshiach.) Any anti???polygynist read of Yahushua???s parable will contradict the two???house teaching, not to mention the whole thrust of the book of Maasah Shlichim / Acts!

Another question is: virgins???for what purpose? Some theologians try to say that the 10 virgins are bridesmaids. Bridesmaids smack of western non???Hebraic tradition. Since when does an authentic Hebrew wedding in the time of Yahushua have ???bridesmaids???? Since when does a wedding guest have to be a virgin?

It only makes sense if the virgins are the brides or a collective bride. The guests at the wedding only have to be clothed in wedding garments; they don???t have to be virgins, and they don???t have to have lamps ready. The virgins are the ones waiting for their bride. We, the bride/brides, are waiting for Yahushua. He obviously referred to Nazarim Yisrael in both singular and plural because he wants us to be echad.

Here is the literal word order from the Aramaic Peshitta:

Then, let be likened the Kingdom of Heaven to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out for the meeting of the bridegroom and the bride. Five now of them wise were and five foolish and those foolish [virgins] took their lamps, but not did take with them oil, those but wise [virgins] took oil in vessels with their lamps. When delayed now the bridegroom, they slumbered all of them and slept. And in the middle of the night there was an outcry: ???behold the bridegroom comes, go out for his meeting!??? Then arose all virgins those and prepared their lamps, were saying and those foolish [virgins] to the wise ???give us of your oil, for behold have gone out our lamps.??? Answered these wise [virgins] and said, ???Why, not there is enough for us and for you, rather go to those
who sell and buy for yourselves.??? And while they went to buy, came the bridegroom, and those who ready were, entered with him into the banquet???hall, and was locked the door.

Below is the Paul Younan translation from the Aramaic:

???Then let the Kingdom of Heaven be likened to those ten virgins who took their lamps and went out for the meeting of the bride and the bridegroom.???

So it is entirely plausible that it means that the 10 virgins went out performing the custom of when the bridegroom meets the bride where each one of them prospectively are the bride(s)!

Du Tillet Mattityahu and Munster Hebrew Mattityahu don???t even have ???and the bride??? where as Aramaic has ???and the bride.??? Either way it does not exlude the 10 virgins from being brides.

If Yahushua???s Abba compared Himself to a metaphorical polygynist in Yermiyahu 3 and Yehezqel 23, why wouldn???t Yahushua do likewise? For what it???s worth, the Greek translation of the Mattithyahu passage has wedding celebrations in the accusative plural! So even the Greek speaking translators knew to not mess with the polygynist illustration of Moshiach!
#5
Dear Christina,

You said:

"Hey akhi Albion, is that hacker fella that you know up to his old tricks again? For a quite a while now, I can receive PMs but can't send any!"

I'm afraid if I answer this truthfully, that Paul will throw me off of the list.

Perhaps that's answer that you can live with.

[edited by admin]

Shlama, Albion
#6
Shlama all--

Now you know the heresy among the Netzarim that I warned you about.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
#7
Andrew Gabriel Roth Wrote:Shlama all--

Now you know the heresy among the Netzarim that I warned you about.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth

I knew it! As you soon you said "I'm naming it after a powerful descendant of Cain" the very first name that popped into my head was Lamech - the first Tanakh character to introduce polygamy with his two wives Adah & Zilah, and who boasted about being avenged 70 times for merely hurting a man. After all it's easy to see why polygamists/polygynists (what's up with this new word ????) think that Scripture justifies their debauchery.

I'm really glad that there are people like you who are willing to publically rebuke such sinful behaviour with the Word. I trust your judgement, considering all the tainted "Netzari" Bible versions out there, now I'm confident that Mari/P.E.A.C.E. will not be one of them.

BTW akhi Paul, please don't let what my previous post says discourage you from completing your interlinear someday. In fact I'm going to quote a snippet of what I wrote in a PM - to all the translators here on Peshitta.org, please read this with sobriety and pray to the Abba about this:

I am also anctiously waiting for AGR's Mari/P.E.A.C.E. and sympathize with the setbacks he's had in releasing it, but all in HaShem's good time I suppose. I was wondering if perhaps there's a spiritual reason why our Peshitta primacist akhai are having trouble completing & releasing their work. Now that this YAI/Moshe K/Altaf scandal has come to light, I'm starting to consider the possibility that there is! But MarYah Y'shua d'Mesheikha is all powerful and all merciful, and He will help us to fight this evil heresy. We must continue to pray and encourage akhai Paul, Andrew & Yaaqub.

The truth must be known, please get it out there.
#8
Greetings Christina,
Have you contacted the site's webmaster and inquired about this problem? or asked if anyone else is experiencing the same issue?
you might want to contact them and let them know what your issue is, it may be something they can walk you through or it may be an issue with their site they are not aware of. Not all Issues that are encountered online are caused by malicious acts, most are because of user error or program faults.

Hope that helps.

Christina Wrote:To: glscottnz

I recieved your PM and sent you a reply but it doesn't seem to be going through. Would you mind PMing your email address to me so I can email my reply in case it doesn't go through? Hey akhi Albion, is that hacker fella that you know up to his old tricks again? For a quite a while now, I can receive PMs but can't send any! Akh Paul, help?
#9
Shlama Akhay,

Thank you all for your concerns. There are no malicious acts, there are software related issues to PMing. I've noticed that I miss quite a few PMs because I let the maximum of 20 or 50 accumulate, and the rest get held in the queue. If you have too many PMs in your inbox, try removing some and the rest should pop into place.

+Shamasha Paul
#10
Shlama all--

For the record, "polygamy" means that either man or wife can have multiple marraige partners. "polygyny" which is what Moshe K teaches resrves the multiple marraige option just for men, but lets women have illicit partners with slaves and such.

I have posted a rebuttal on <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.therefinersfire.org">http://www.therefinersfire.org</a><!-- w --> and a fuller version will be in and her footnotes.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
#11
I have read Mr. Koniuchowsky's book, Sex and the Believer and let me tell you, I was not impressed at all! First it was obviously not sent through proof reading or editing as there are many mistakes, making it difficult to read. There are many blanket statements made without evidence, and does a poor job of proving that polygamy is mandated in certain cases. I have written a review: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://its-time.info/book-review/">http://its-time.info/book-review/</a><!-- m -->, which is linked to a fuller review/rebuttal: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://its-time.info/book-review/">http://its-time.info/book-review/</a><!-- m --> Please pass this information on to anyone who needs it <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
#12
Shlama Akhi Rafa and anyone else who is interested...

What you all need to understand is that Rabbi Moshe K PUBLICLY assumed I would support him and proclaimed the Peshitta NT agreed with his position and that I would agree. In so doing, he committed lashon hara against me and he attempted to defile the holy text. Then, when I called it perversion (this is before I knew he believed this manure but was asking for "guidance") he never told the countless folks on his list that I rebuked his position. Again I rebuked his position without knowing that I was going against him, but that's just too ___-ing bad. (Do you get the feeling I am just a bit passionate about this matter?)

I have been so embarassed and angry that I did NOT want to address this. I thought that I was dignifying that which was without basis. However, Moshe K's actions left me no choice. The last straw was when acquaintances began emailing me asking why I was in favor of this doctrine. They thought I was on board with him because he said he would seek me out but he never published the outcome. So therefore I had to publicaly say what he would not, and I may not be done on that score yet either. We will see where the Ruach leads, but it may fall to me to further destroy this and if so, trust me, I will.

This is a grievous matter for two huge reasons. First this is SALVATION SPECIFIC to Jewish and Christian communities of faith. This is a TOP TEN COMMANDMENT and not a minor interpretive thing like how to tie tzit-tzit, etc.

Second, and equally important, Moshe K said the Peshitta supported him. Now I know the theological limitations of this forum and beyond these considerations I do try to be tolerant of different viewpoints, but where I draw the line is when said difference is attached to the holy Peshitta. People can believe what they like so long as they don't cloak their heresy in my text, because if they do, like Akhan Paul or anyone else who feels as we do, I will defend this Scripture by any and all means necessary.

Dialogue yes.
Compromise--NO.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
#13
Rafa Wrote:He said YOU supported him?! What a fruit (sorry). I was gasping when I read how Altaf had placed akhi Paul's translation on his website (great...just what we needed to lose credibility), now this?! Now I understand fully why you wrote that essay in MARI. Makes complete sense. If someone commits this type of massive Lashon Hara against you I presume you have the right to defend yourself by at least saying you never supported such a thing. By the way...I don't know how this could be done, but it would be good for akhi Paul to ask Altaf to remove his lifework from that website.

I saw it, but unfortunately in this one case, I do have that rather liberal copyright statement on this website. A satan-worshipper, or pornographer, could post my word on their site freely and I would have no recourse.

+Shamasha
#14
Shlama all--

I think Shamasha Paul is perfectly correct in his position, odd as that may sound. You see, there is no credibility lost on our side here Rafa. Anyone may pervert anything and in the end it is the DEFILERS, not the source, that has no credibility. We here at peshitta.org would defend against the perversions of Altaf and Moshe K in just the same way as we would defend against any other attacker. Moshe K and Altaf are in no position to do anything accept deceive the ignorant. I can tell you directly neither understands any Aramaic--both have consulted with me heavily over the most basic aspects of the language. If they come against us, the alternative to ignoring their manure is to uproot it as we have with some others who, for the sake of forum policy, will be nameless.

Akhan Paul has done a tremendous mitzvah-- if I may go Hebraic for a second--for the world by making the copyright statement free to all. 99.9% of folks will use his scholarship responsibly and the .1% that don't cannot and will not take this awesome gift from the rest of the world.

Remember all of you this: If Akhan Paul had not done his work, my work, and possibly that of some others whom I will not speak for, would not have likely come into being. You want to thank me for Mari? Thank Paul Younan first. Because of his generosity countless other wonderful things in the Aramaic Primacy movement have happened since June 1, 2000, when you can trust me there were almost no good Aramaic resources that were not under a 100 years old or in Serto script.

Let me close with an odd example. About 20 years ago I heard about a teenage prostitution cult that allegedly used the Gospels to justify the rape and exploitation of young girls. How did they do it? Simple: They said to the girls, "You know that verse in the Gospels where Y'shua says for his disciples to become fishers of men? Well you can become a fisher--a hooker--for Y'shua too!" No lie! If I didn't see it with my own eyes I would not believe it.

But understand my point in that example: Do we throw out the Gospels as frauds (in Greek, Aramaic, whatever) simply because a few sexual predators twisted the lines? Or do we repudiate the perversion and explain their real meaning?

Yeah, that's what I thought. I'd pick B too. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
#15
I'm with akhan Andrew on this one, not only do I support his personal reasons but there are times when we must take out the "sharp double-edged sword" and fight. The Peshitta is as "Hebraic" AND as orthodox as it gets, and indeed that is what to be expected from the original, and soon we will finally get to see this with our very eyes.


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