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Shalom,
I've never understood why Jews (esp Orthodox Jews) don't to mix meat & milk, and in Israel there are even seperate resturants & kitchens for dairy and meat products. I've decided to investigate the Scriptures concerning this and I've found this verse:
Quote:Deut 14:21 Never eat any carcass. Give it to the stranger in your gates to eat, or sell it to a foreigner. For you are a holy people to Yahweh your God. Cook no kid in its mother's milk.
This verse is a bit obscure if taken literally, while it doesn't specifically prohibit mixing meat & milk, it does say that kids (baby goats) musn't be cooked in their mother's milk. Perhaps this is a Hebraic idiom, can anyone confirm this for me?
The interesting thing is that there is an example in the Torah of eating meat & dairy together:
Quote:Gen 18:7 Abraham ran to the oxen, and took a tender and good son of an ox, and gave it to a lad to hasten and make it.
Gen 18:8 He took butter and milk, and the son of the ox which he made, and gave it in front of them. He stood by them under the tree, and they ate.
The "them" who Abraham served were actually YHWH and two of his angels, YHWH himself ate meat & dairy together with his angels "and they ate". What is your opinion of this?
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Shlama to you Sister Christina--great question!
My opinion is the ban on milk with meat is NOT Scriptural. the command has to do with, as you point out, seething a calf-goat in its mother's milk, something that is almsot impossible to do with getting goats' milk and meat at any supermarket. Even if that was possible, it has nothing to do with beef, chicken, etc.
It is what we call in Aramaic a SYAG (fence) of the Rabbis. The problem with many fences is that they end up breaking another command to avoid keeping one. The first example of a SYAG in Scripture is Eve with the apple. She was only told not to EAT it, but she told the serpent that YHWH said not to TOUCH IT. This was a well meaning fence, because logically if you don't touch the forbidden fruit you can't eat it. The problem was, Eve FORGOT. When she touched the fruit and did not die, she assumed eating it was no problem either. As a result, like Y'shua said in Matthew 15, her tradition ended up nullfying the original command.
Another good example of a SYAG is ban on the name of YHWH. The commadnment is only not to CURSE in that name. The reasoning then becomes if we don't SPEAK it we can't CURSE. But, the problem is YHWH elsewhere commanded that we shout and call on His Name. He also said that to subsitute His Name was to make is SHAV (desolate). So by making a fence for the commandment on cursing in the Name, they violate the other command on calling on the Name.
Rabbinic tradition has tons of these, again as Y'shua pointed out. They have NOTHING to do with the WRITTEN Torah of Moses. It;s like with the tzit-tzit (fringes). Rabbinics know the Scripture says the tekhlet is blue, but because they are not sure which shade of blue, they have them WHITE, which they KNOW is not correct!
Hope this helps!
Shlama w'burkate
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Even Rashi pointed out that the prohibition on boiling a kid in its mother's milk had to do with a pagan harvest festival...which we've now discovered he was right on. This is prohibited because it is a pagan ritual, which is why it is not listed with the dietary restrictions, but with festal/harvest ordinances.
The prohibition on milk and meat is a part of the famed "hedge around the Torah." They figure that if you're not eating milk and meat together you can't boil a kid in its mother's milk. Kinda ridiculous extrapolation.
So no, it is not Scriptural. It is a rabbinic ordinance, which Rashi proved that they knew better than to make. Don't go boiling a kid in it's mother's milk and you're still Kasher.
Shalom uvrachot,
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Rafa Wrote:It makes sense- calf worship and paganism, not diet issue. Like in Hinduism where you drink milk for idolatry and so forth (anybody remember the milk sellout craze a few years ago when somebody claimed one of the statues drank the milk?). Of course for the sake of not throwing stones in a brothers path I will not eat that cheeseburger with somebody who takes that rule seriously. Ditto. I wouldn't eat milk and meat together if I had an Orthodox brother with me. But for myself, I have no problem with it.
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Ah so that's what that verse was about, thank you Dawid. I actually think that meat & dairy is great combo, and I love washing my meals down with a glass of Mid Eastern style aryan yoghurt drink, great for digestion IMO. I also, out of respect, when I dine with Orthodox Jews observe their dietry laws.
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Christina Wrote:Ah so that's what that verse was about, thank you Dawid. I actually think that meat & dairy is great combo, and I love washing my meals down with a glass of Mid Eastern style aryan yoghurt drink, great for digestion IMO. I also, out of respect, when I dine with Orthodox Jews observe their dietry laws. When I have my own house (when I'm out of my parents' home, in other words) I want to keep my home completely kosher according to Orthodox standards, because I have Orthodox friends that I would like to be able to eat with me.
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<!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: --> I also still live with my parents.
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Christina Wrote::biggrin: I also still live with my parents. Cool beans. Out of curiosity, how old are you?
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Dawid Wrote:Christina Wrote::biggrin: I also still live with my parents. Cool beans. Out of curiosity, how old are you?
I'm 26 and you?
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Christina Wrote:Dawid Wrote:Christina Wrote::biggrin: I also still live with my parents. Cool beans. Out of curiosity, how old are you?
I'm 26 and you? Younger than 26.
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26 - I've got you both beat. Ahhhh, those were the days. <!-- s:listen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/listen.gif" alt=":listen:" title="Listen" /><!-- s:listen: -->
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yaaqub Wrote:26 - I've got you both beat. Ahhhh, those were the days. <!-- s:listen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/listen.gif" alt=":listen:" title="Listen" /><!-- s:listen: --> lol. Alright, old geezer, how old are you? <!-- s  --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt=" " title="Wink" /><!-- s -->
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Dawid Wrote:lol. Alright, old geezer, how old are you? <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s -->
Closer to 50 than 26. <!-- s  --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sleepy.gif" alt=" " title="Sleepy" /><!-- s --> LOL
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Dawid Wrote:lol. So you're about my mom's age. (just in case you didn't feel old already <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/poketoungeb.gif" alt="" title="Poke Tounge" /><!-- s --> )
Thanks. LOL
I feel older than I am. My wife always says, it's not how old are, it's how old you feel. I guess it depends on the time of the day. <!-- s  --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt=" " title="Smile" /><!-- s -->
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