04-01-2013, 06:21 AM
Michael,
By mixing groups, I meant that you are mixing up the groups of True disciples of Messiah, with those who were false brothers, whom the Apostle Paul in 45-60s A.D. speaks of in his letters, warning the true believers about them...and which Bishop Ignatius warns about in about 107 A.D. and which Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and a host of others warn against and expose as heretics, concerning the True Gospel and teachings of the Apostles.
The True Jewish disciples in Jerusalem, where James was considered among the Apostolic order, and which some of Messiah's relatives from the family of Messiah's Mother's relatives were joined with, said in about 50 A.D. that these men who were contending with the Apostle Paul, had not been sent out by the Church in Jerusalem.
Those men and their followers were the beginning of the "Ebionite" heretical sect, who later became extinct, and who shared some beliefs with the true Jewish Disciples (whom I would call Nazarenes, not Ebionites), but were not part of their number. They were outside the Sheepfold, and were sending their men out to try to undermine the God appointed, and Apostles in Jerusalem blessed work, which the Apostle Paul and his companions were doing by the leading of The Holy Spirit.
They, like you, certainly thought that they were the members of the true Assembly of Messiah, yet by their doctrines they show they were not, to such a degree, that they had to reject all the letters of the Apostle Paul, and consider him an apostate, rather than an Apostle. They must have also rejected the book of Acts as well, and seem to only use and accept some altered form of the Gospel according to Matthew, which was also called "the gospel of the Hebrews", which agreed with their heretical teachings.
Shlama,
Chuck
.
By mixing groups, I meant that you are mixing up the groups of True disciples of Messiah, with those who were false brothers, whom the Apostle Paul in 45-60s A.D. speaks of in his letters, warning the true believers about them...and which Bishop Ignatius warns about in about 107 A.D. and which Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and a host of others warn against and expose as heretics, concerning the True Gospel and teachings of the Apostles.
The True Jewish disciples in Jerusalem, where James was considered among the Apostolic order, and which some of Messiah's relatives from the family of Messiah's Mother's relatives were joined with, said in about 50 A.D. that these men who were contending with the Apostle Paul, had not been sent out by the Church in Jerusalem.
Those men and their followers were the beginning of the "Ebionite" heretical sect, who later became extinct, and who shared some beliefs with the true Jewish Disciples (whom I would call Nazarenes, not Ebionites), but were not part of their number. They were outside the Sheepfold, and were sending their men out to try to undermine the God appointed, and Apostles in Jerusalem blessed work, which the Apostle Paul and his companions were doing by the leading of The Holy Spirit.
They, like you, certainly thought that they were the members of the true Assembly of Messiah, yet by their doctrines they show they were not, to such a degree, that they had to reject all the letters of the Apostle Paul, and consider him an apostate, rather than an Apostle. They must have also rejected the book of Acts as well, and seem to only use and accept some altered form of the Gospel according to Matthew, which was also called "the gospel of the Hebrews", which agreed with their heretical teachings.
Shlama,
Chuck
.