11-16-2004, 01:16 AM
Keith,
For me to say that I have a superior intellect is to say that I am without challenge (which is far from the truth). I never stated what you accuse me of. Let me assure you that I do not fear you and I will blaze everything you throw at me. Either stop or continue.
Note to the forum: When your opponent is unable to directly refute your argument, he or she will use logical fallacies to appease his or her crowd. Keith is using the most common of logical fallacies known as ad hominem. An ad hominem is the attack of one's opponent's background instead of his or her argument.
Note to Keith: I will ask what I choose. I encourage the same.
Sura 39:4 ???Had Allah wished to take to Himself A son, He could have Chosen whom He pleased Out of those whom He Doth create: but Glory Be to Him! (He is above Such things.) He is Allah, The One, the Irresistible."
Translation: He could taken for Himself a son, but no, He is above such things.
Sets it up, then negates it.
100. Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters.Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him[b]
Direct refutation of the Christian and Pagan arguments. They attribute sons and daughters to Him. He says He is above what they attribute to Him.
Negation.
Sura 6:101 ???Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; How can He have a son when He has no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.???
Many Christians argue that since Jesus is without a father, he is the son of Allah. This verse is a refutation of such logic and also a negation by "how can He have a son when He has no consort?" Allah has no wife, so how could He have a son? This is negating the possibility of God having a son in accordance to a specific argument. Nevertheless, it is a negation.
And whose understanding of these two Suras would you prefer if not the rhetoric and logic of answering islam (a Christian site clearly biased and bent on "obfuscating the facts")?
There is no contradiction here.
"This is what it means," Joseph said. "The three baskets are three days. Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head and [b]hang you on a tree. And the birds will eat away your flesh." [Genesis 40:18-19]
The same "error" is in the Bible. Either crucifixion did exist in Egypt or the Bible is not the word of God since it contains such a gross error.
???Crucifixion was an extreme punishment used by peoples around the Mediterranean basin for about 1,000 years,??? said David Cook, assistant professor of religious studies at Rice University. ???It was a public and ??? degrading punishment designed to deter.???
He said it was first mentioned in the Code of Hammurabi about 1700 B.C. but was brought into popular use about 500 B.C. by the Persians and then the Carthaginians. In the fourth century B.C., Alexander the Great is believed to have spread the use of crucifixion to Egypt. The Romans are believed to have picked it up from the Carthaginians.
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The majority of scholars conclude that Joseph entered Egypt during the time of the Hyksos. The Hyksos belonged to a group of mixed Semitic-Asiatics who infiltrated Egypt during the Middle Kingdom and became rulers of Lower Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (c. 1674-1553 BC).
According to the article, Alexander the Great spread the use of crucifixion to Egypt in the fourth century BC. Joseph entered Egypt in the second century BC.
Now what, Keith?
Quote:You still assume a superior intellect than anyone else on this forum. You are mistaken.
For me to say that I have a superior intellect is to say that I am without challenge (which is far from the truth). I never stated what you accuse me of. Let me assure you that I do not fear you and I will blaze everything you throw at me. Either stop or continue.
Quote:You are barking up the wrong tree with your insults and attacks. First finish college, mature, and then attack; until then ask non-insulting questions.
Note to the forum: When your opponent is unable to directly refute your argument, he or she will use logical fallacies to appease his or her crowd. Keith is using the most common of logical fallacies known as ad hominem. An ad hominem is the attack of one's opponent's background instead of his or her argument.
Note to Keith: I will ask what I choose. I encourage the same.
Quote:There is a direct contradiction about the ability for God to have a son. That is what the Koran says. You may try to obfuscate the facts but the facts remain. Go back and reread these two Suras. I'm not interested in your understanding of the meaning of those two Suras. What does your Holy Book say?
Sura 39:4 ???Had Allah wished to take to Himself A son, He could have Chosen whom He pleased Out of those whom He Doth create: but Glory Be to Him! (He is above Such things.) He is Allah, The One, the Irresistible."
Translation: He could taken for Himself a son, but no, He is above such things.
Sets it up, then negates it.
100. Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters.Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him[b]
Direct refutation of the Christian and Pagan arguments. They attribute sons and daughters to Him. He says He is above what they attribute to Him.
Negation.
Sura 6:101 ???Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; How can He have a son when He has no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.???
Many Christians argue that since Jesus is without a father, he is the son of Allah. This verse is a refutation of such logic and also a negation by "how can He have a son when He has no consort?" Allah has no wife, so how could He have a son? This is negating the possibility of God having a son in accordance to a specific argument. Nevertheless, it is a negation.
And whose understanding of these two Suras would you prefer if not the rhetoric and logic of answering islam (a Christian site clearly biased and bent on "obfuscating the facts")?
There is no contradiction here.
Quote:The Egyptians did not practice crucifixion during the patriarch Joseph's lifetime. There is no evidence to support the Koran. That this is an anachronism is without dispute.
"This is what it means," Joseph said. "The three baskets are three days. Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head and [b]hang you on a tree. And the birds will eat away your flesh." [Genesis 40:18-19]
The same "error" is in the Bible. Either crucifixion did exist in Egypt or the Bible is not the word of God since it contains such a gross error.
???Crucifixion was an extreme punishment used by peoples around the Mediterranean basin for about 1,000 years,??? said David Cook, assistant professor of religious studies at Rice University. ???It was a public and ??? degrading punishment designed to deter.???
He said it was first mentioned in the Code of Hammurabi about 1700 B.C. but was brought into popular use about 500 B.C. by the Persians and then the Carthaginians. In the fourth century B.C., Alexander the Great is believed to have spread the use of crucifixion to Egypt. The Romans are believed to have picked it up from the Carthaginians.
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The majority of scholars conclude that Joseph entered Egypt during the time of the Hyksos. The Hyksos belonged to a group of mixed Semitic-Asiatics who infiltrated Egypt during the Middle Kingdom and became rulers of Lower Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (c. 1674-1553 BC).
According to the article, Alexander the Great spread the use of crucifixion to Egypt in the fourth century BC. Joseph entered Egypt in the second century BC.
Now what, Keith?
???Do not give up, for that is ignorance and not according to the rules of this art... Like the lover, you cannot hope to achieve success without infinite perseverance.???