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use of OS by ancient Aramaic-speaking Christians
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Sacred text huh? That was quite audacious Mister Roth.

Quote:Let's be clear here: The western scholars and their ilk are saying that they do NOT trust the word of the Church of the East, that the Church of the East cannot tell the difference between the real Peshitta manuscripts and Old Syriac that they claim to have never used, that the Church of the East deliberately obscured or otherwise ripped from their annals "proof" that the Peshitta is revised from Old Syriac. This, the west says, the COE did, EVEN THOUGH THEIR OWN BYLAWS, ANNALS AND RECORDS SCREAM THE REVERSE.

Interesting. So in your eyes, no one would ever change, revise, or alter an aramaic text, at least one from the east. Hmmmm, let's see here.

Let's take an example, say,....that arabic diatesseron that is being talked about here lately. Let's just use reason and common sense here and see what we find.

Of course Paul has stated earlier that this was annotated as being a copy from the diatesseron of Tatian, by a monk of substantial background. The text is arabic, and matches the Peshitta almost word for word. Where it doesn't can easily be attributed to translational errors in the other language from aramaic. Ok, now what evidence do we have of the Diatesseron of Tatian? Well, not much. Ephrems syriac and armenian commentaries, a greek fragment, and possible quotes from apostolic fathers that may have been in contact with it.

Ok then. Does the text match up to the evidence and support it's claim in the inscription? No. For someone to believe that this was the actual text of Tatian's, one would have to believe in every place that Ephrem and others quoted the Diatesseron, where it agreed with the OS, that it was mere coincedence, that they just happen to paraphrase all those areas and it closely resembled the OS by accident alone, complete coincidence. Also, that the aforementioned greek fragment is of something else, since it doesn't agree either with this text.

What about other harmonies? No, it doesn't agree with them, but they don't claim to be a copy of Tatians Diatesseron either. Their text is a copy from something else, with definete roots in Old Latin, and possible roots in syriac

But wait Dave, stop the presses, you can't use western evidences against it! Oh really? Who made that rule, and thinks that I'm gonna adhere to it? That is quite limiting to the overall scope here, and would do no justice to what evidence there actually is on Tatian's work. What? Just throw out the evidence and go on faith alone here? Ok Pal.

So what is the conclusion? It's a copy of the Peshitta, since it doesn't agree with the evidence supplied, not even in a remote way. It would be rediculous to accept this as Tatian's Diatesseron, or completely biased.

So what/who lied here? Both, the text and the inscriber.

On top of this, if we are to also accept the Peshitta as original, then we the general public, would have to accept that every apostle that came down throughout the ages, who wrote memoirs for us to meditate on, wrote only in aramaic throughout their stay here. No other languages were ever used. Remember this is suppose to be from an original source, from the hands of the apostles themselves. This is also the same as believing that the text only came down in greek, either way, it's a language bias to support a personal belief or faith if you want.

So why would someone take a peshitta harmony and label it as Tatian's Diatesseron? To lie and fool people into believing something else, or even to support a racial bias, as bad as that sounds.

Is this different than the recensions that were happening in the Greek? Yes, because it is sneaky. There are multiple copies that acutally show the recensional work in progress throughout the greek, there is no denying it, the proof is up front. This is hidden to the unsuspecting.

So no one would ever change a text huh Mister Roth? That was a total common sense approach there, and a basic reasonable look at this. To believe different than what was just shown would be untrue to oneself, and to The Lord. But there are those who would desire to be blind and untrue, huh?

Go buy the books yourself. Do your own homework, I did, and try to remain unbiased.
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