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Bible Codes in Peshitta
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Apparently gbausc couldn't bear that my last post was concluding the discussion between two of us in this thread and had to respond to "Poisson method". So I must go back to this as well ...

For whoever is following this thread here is what I wrote to David on 01-Mar-2008 in my PM:

---- PM sent by me to gbausc on 01-Mar-2008

gbausc wrote:

enarxe wrote : It servers no good to Peshitta primacy. Wake up. You are not always right.

It was a waste of time on my part writing to you. Same was buying your "codes" book some time ago on lulu, money wasted.
What I wrote above I mostly direct to others because your ears seem to be blocked.

gbausc wrote:How was it a waste of time if it showed you that my experiment is fatally flawed? You apparently have gained very useful info. by it.


Reading your book and discovering that your experiment is fatally flawed was of course a gain, as many experiences of life are for all of us. But I have done it already some time ago. And I could have gained something else instead. Spending any money on the book wasn't a gain, as in my opinion it wasn't worth it. Mistake. Happens. It is written in a very strange way, quite difficult to follow your train of thought. Writing here (on the forum) to you now seems to be a waste of time (apparently, I will see if it was or not, after all).

Didn't I tell you right from the beginning that it will go slowly and I need ask questions first ? Please see my previous post (by enarxe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:16 pm)

enarxe wrote:I will try to deal with the matter asking one question at a time so we do not get entangled in too many threads. Please bear with me, it may take some time until we get to real methodological problems but there is no hurry. And thanks in advance for your patience.



I asked so far two simple questions to establish two simple things : 1. which text you have taken as a base and if this is available in electronic form so anyone could repeat the experiment, and 2. who should I talk to, to you or rather to your "professional statisticians" that you were calling now and then. What I got in response was a lot of words from you alongside the answers.

How can I be specific without proper data first and without knowing who I need to be talking to and what language should I use?

gbausc wrote:You write from a sheer burden of emotion.

And you have studied some sort of remote psychology to know my motives or what I "write from". All that just from two or three posts on the forum? Or you have that knowledge about me from the Holy Spirit ?

gbausc wrote:Write your own book disproving the Bible codes phenomenon. Do an experiment of your own, instead of sitting back and condemning my experiment and book.

Don't you think people have better things to do than investing time in writing books about flawed books? For what? So you could get flattered by getting printed criticism? This book is not taken seriously by any statistician, is it? You were praised by people from whom you bought the software and by others who do not understand statistical hypothesis testing. Am I correct?

gbausc wrote:I engaged in no personal invectives. I honestly believe you need mental therapy. Is that a sin?

This was not an invective in your opinion? Ok, good, I learned something new about American English.

gbausc wroteBig Grino you have a PHD in statistics? Short of that, I don't see that you are "qualified to patronize" me in that area of discussion.

I have a PhD. Not in statistics but very close to that. And good training in statistics and logic. I was also teaching statistics (on a university level, with good understanding of the logic of statistical hypothesis testing). Credentials good enough? [..]

May I ask what are your statistical qualifications?

gbausc wrote:BTW, you mis-spelled "serves" and wrote "It servers no good to Peshitta primacy." I can't believe you know English after doing that. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

I do not know English on a proficiency level, it is not my mother tongue and it is easy to notice. But "servers" was just a finger slip. Thank you for pointing that out. It is not on the same level though as your usage of statistical terms. For me it simply shows that you are using tools in which you have no professional training, but for you it is hair splitting. I wrote about it in the P.S., not in the main question. It was a "BTW" and you turn it into main point. Can I suggest some sort of a treatment to you?

gbausc wrote:All your charges are general opinions that have no specificity, so you really have not demonstrated anything wrong with my method.

David, I have not even started putting any charges to your method yet, as you well know. And you said already that I need psychological treatment and you do not want discussion with me. So my previous post was a conclusive end of the discussion on my part as well.

And now you want it back? C'mon, make up your mind. Are we talking about the logic in your book or "you don't like this guy and won't talk to him"?

gbausc wrote:If you have specific criticisms, level them. You don't need to ask me questions, if you know that my work is sheer rubbish.

Prove it!
Dave

So in the end you want it and will be responding on a scientific level? Ok, see my next post coming soon.

And I need to ask questions because what you wrote in the book is not clear enough. It is not stated as in a work written by a professional statistician. I need to ask questions also because I need to build a simple argument, easy to understand for everyone, instead of jumping straight to "abnormally high Z scores" and getting from you what would be for most readers a technical mumbojumbo. And it must be in a step by step discussion with you, not in a longish article or post (like some try here), where you would pick up different bits and attack them instead of responding to the main thought.

Sorry, you must be on the defensive and answer questions. If you do not want to play this way and pull off, OK. But you have already accepted it some time ago, at least it seemed so. As I said I will post the first question about the method and your experiment soon (unless you try to stop me again by saying "no discussion, I don't like you, get a treatment"). Sorry for the delay but I need carefully and wisely word it, so there are no misunderstandings. Also due to my family, church and work I also do not have so much time on my hands, so it must go slowly.

So my question to you now is again: will you be answering my questions in the forum or avoiding them (or adding to them)? I can promise not to follow your way (of talking about many different things) and the questions will be now only about statistics, logic and methodology of your experiment. Can you do the same in your responses ? Answer the questions and not "suggest treatments" or talk about things other than statistics, logic and STATISTICAL experiment from your book?

Shlama,
Jerzy

---- end of my PM dated 01-03-2008

Some comments now, after two more weeks have gone by and we exchanged some more PMs.

Yes, I am biased and I already have my conclusion. I do not like David's codes book, in my opinion the statistical proof in it is flawed, seriously. If anyone has read the book and thinks it is great and proves something then fine, they have a right to their opinion. If it motivates someone to do something good then even better. If anyone wants to read the book, I'm not stopping them, have fun, check it for yourself, if you can. But "judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment".

In my original question to David posted here well over a year ago I criticized the choice of sample for hypothesis testing (in my opinion he was comparing apples to oranges) and asked what is the actual null hypothesis that he was testing. David had responded to some initial clarifying questions that I needed to ask then in order to make head and tail of the statistics listed by him in the book. The crucial question however went unanswered although I have repeated it after it was covered by some "thread mud". David, I think that you have not even understood my question then. I started this again this year trying to arrive at some answer from you.

Any discussion about the logic of experiment from the book and how statistics is used there is probably void in view of : 1) the fact that David was analyzing an electronic version of Peshitta which contains errors (very minor but still the text is not exactly the Peshitta text) and 2) that he writes in his book: "The codes I have found would not exist if one letter were added to The Peshitta NT edition I have used ! This particular edition did not exist (as far as I can tell) until December of AD 2000. If one letter were deleted, the codes would not exist !". How can you reconcile those two, I do not know.

Shlama,
Jerzy
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Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 11-25-2003, 05:24 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2003, 07:24 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-26-2003, 12:43 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-26-2003, 02:05 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Vsanzcm - 11-26-2003, 03:53 AM
[No subject] - by Rob Vanhoff - 11-26-2003, 09:02 AM
. - by drmlanc - 11-26-2003, 10:47 AM
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Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Craig - 11-26-2003, 11:52 AM
Bible Codes - by gbausc - 11-26-2003, 09:26 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-26-2003, 10:00 PM
. - by drmlanc - 11-27-2003, 07:02 AM
What good are codes ? - by gbausc - 11-27-2003, 02:58 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-27-2003, 03:43 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-27-2003, 04:04 PM
. - by drmlanc - 11-28-2003, 12:44 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-28-2003, 02:33 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 04:10 AM
Re: Bible Codes - by Vsanzcm - 11-28-2003, 05:07 AM
Re: Bible Codes - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 05:23 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-28-2003, 08:30 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 04:49 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-28-2003, 06:26 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-29-2003, 01:40 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by The Thadman - 11-29-2003, 06:29 AM
. - by drmlanc - 11-29-2003, 11:55 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-29-2003, 03:42 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-29-2003, 04:37 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-29-2003, 04:42 PM
bible codes - by Guest - 11-30-2003, 04:58 AM
Re: bible codes - by Guest - 11-30-2003, 05:01 AM
[No subject] - by Vsanzcm - 11-30-2003, 09:28 PM
Re: bible codes - by Vsanzcm - 11-30-2003, 09:32 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-01-2003, 02:29 PM
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[No subject] - by Ivan Pavlovich Ostapyuk - 08-25-2004, 01:59 AM
What God Coded - by se7en - 09-28-2004, 04:12 AM
Re: What God Coded - by gbausc - 09-30-2004, 12:13 PM
Re: What God Coded - by nashama - 12-06-2004, 04:15 PM
Re: What God Coded - by nashama - 12-06-2004, 04:17 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-08-2004, 11:57 AM
No Codes in the Peshitta - by nashama - 12-09-2004, 06:36 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-11-2004, 09:57 PM
Assumptions - by nashama - 12-11-2004, 11:12 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-12-2004, 02:02 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-13-2004, 02:57 PM
bible codes - by Yohanan Shaul - 04-03-2005, 02:11 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 04-09-2005, 04:00 PM
bible codes - by Yohanan Shaul - 04-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 12-11-2007, 05:15 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-16-2008, 08:38 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-16-2008, 11:48 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-17-2008, 04:16 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-17-2008, 06:42 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-18-2008, 12:01 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-18-2008, 03:57 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-18-2008, 06:47 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 02-19-2008, 02:27 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-22-2008, 04:31 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-27-2008, 12:46 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 06:23 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 07:12 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-29-2008, 08:34 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 09:26 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 03-01-2008, 12:09 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 03-17-2008, 01:34 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 03-17-2008, 04:57 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-17-2008, 08:22 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 03-17-2008, 08:45 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-17-2008, 09:51 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-19-2008, 08:44 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 03-20-2008, 06:05 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-20-2008, 04:59 PM

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