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Bible Codes in Peshitta
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Thank you all for your responses,

I will try to answer all or most of your questions and as briefly as possible.

I don't accept the premise that Divine inspiration cannot be proven scientifically and neither do you Ab; not if you really accept what the scriptures say.

For example: Do you think the mother of Jesus did not have scientific proof that Jesus was not Joseph's son or the son of any man ? Think about what you know about female anatomy and OT methods of determining virginity.
The Jewish people have never been a stupid people.They had at least as much sense then as we do today. A pregnancy was not commony attributed to a Divine intervention; Joseph's reaction was quite understandable and intelligent as scripture testifies. He wanted a divorce.

Mary performed no lab experiments, but she had scientific proof as good as any clinician could produce.

Do you think Peter, James and John did not have scientific proof that Jesus arose from the dead ? Do you think they simply accepted it by faith ? Here is John's testimony:
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
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2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto usWink
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3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
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4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
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Shelikha Paul writes:
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
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4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
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6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
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7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
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8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. {one???: or, an abortive}
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Which of these men accepted the resurrection on faith ?
And if they had proof ???( I think 500 eyewitnesses at one time suffices as proof) , why do we assume that we cannot have proof ?
Even scientific proof demands some faith- faith in our five senses (measuring and weighing requires vision and judgement, no matter how technical a level we operate at) and faith in good judgment and faculties of experimenters, etc.

I reject that concept of faith. Faith as described in scripture is rock solid confidence based on evidence;
evidence as solid and scientific as any modern scientist can produce for the atom or the molecular structure of water.
Did Israel have scientific proof that the Red Sea opened at the command of Moses ? 1.5 million people reached the other side of the sea and kept their clothes dry ! They had proof enough !

We have the record of the miracles and we may choose to reject that record, however, it seems to me that God gives us evidence also- call it proof if you will, (personally I think all scientific proof is based on probabilties). We must search for the proof, but God provides "many infallible proofs" , to use a phrase from the KJV of Acts 1:3

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
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The Aramaic word [font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]0twt0[/font]
"Ethotha " is "signs" or "miracles". As far as the Greek translator was concerned, a sign from God was a "tekmerion"- an "infallible proof".

Ever had a sign ? As far as I am concerned, a person who has not seen a sign doesn't have a clue.
How can we say we have faith if we base our position on evidence-especially if it is irrefutable evidence? Our faith has nothing to do believing mere historical events or doctrines. That kind of thing is not Biblical faith. Biblical faith is action based on evidence; action which starts in the heart and then moves the soul and body. Noah had faith and "moved with fear, prepared an ark" Hebrews 11:7 .
Read chapter 11 again. Faith is action based on evidence!
In fact, verse 1 says faith is evidence !

I knew the Bible was inspired before the codes came around, but not as well as I know and believe now.I am much more excited about the Word now than before. I want to tell people more now than before I knew The Peshitta is the original text.I could have gotten along OK without it , but I don't want to just get along OK.

Jesus said that if we have faith in Him, we will do the works that He did "and greater works than these"... Jn 14:12

So 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is not extremely significant ? What is your standard for "extremely significant" ? Science accepts 1 in 20 as significant enough to prove non randomness. Anything as improbable as 1 in 1,000,000 would be extremely improbable. I thought I understated my case.

The Hebrew OT I use for codes research is the one most codes researchers use; it is The Koren edition- the text used in most synagogues worldwide. There are some differences between it and The BHS edition commonly used in seminaries- about 200 letters difference in The Torah.

The Peshitto text is what I used for the NT searches. It does not use the Harclean text of The Catholic Epistles and Rev.. The Apocalypse text is very close to the Crawford ms. The text is not translated from Greek. It has all the earmarks of an original. The Greek mss. have all the earmarks of a translation from Aramaic.

I have done numerous searches for codes in The Hebrew War and Peace translation, as have many others. They simply don't exist in control texts in significant numbers. Don't assume something without doing the work of testing your assumption by experimentation.I have done literally several thousand searches for code words. No other text aside from Hebrew OT and Peshitta -Peshitto NT has produced significant results so far.

Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]Nym0 lbx 0ld 0xy$m 9w$y Nrml Nybxmd Nyly0 Nwhlk M9 0twbyj [/font]Ephesians 6:24

[font=Estrangelo (V1.1)]lbx 0ld[/font]{in sincerity: or, with incorruption}


Dave B
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Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 11-25-2003, 05:24 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2003, 07:24 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-26-2003, 12:43 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-26-2003, 02:05 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Vsanzcm - 11-26-2003, 03:53 AM
[No subject] - by Rob Vanhoff - 11-26-2003, 09:02 AM
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Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Craig - 11-26-2003, 11:52 AM
Bible Codes - by gbausc - 11-26-2003, 09:26 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-26-2003, 10:00 PM
. - by drmlanc - 11-27-2003, 07:02 AM
What good are codes ? - by gbausc - 11-27-2003, 02:58 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-27-2003, 03:43 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-27-2003, 04:04 PM
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[No subject] - by Dave - 11-28-2003, 02:33 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 04:10 AM
Re: Bible Codes - by Vsanzcm - 11-28-2003, 05:07 AM
Re: Bible Codes - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 05:23 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-28-2003, 08:30 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2003, 04:49 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-28-2003, 06:26 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-29-2003, 01:40 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by The Thadman - 11-29-2003, 06:29 AM
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[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-29-2003, 03:42 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-29-2003, 04:37 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 11-29-2003, 04:42 PM
bible codes - by Guest - 11-30-2003, 04:58 AM
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What God Coded - by se7en - 09-28-2004, 04:12 AM
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Re: What God Coded - by nashama - 12-06-2004, 04:15 PM
Re: What God Coded - by nashama - 12-06-2004, 04:17 PM
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No Codes in the Peshitta - by nashama - 12-09-2004, 06:36 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 12-11-2004, 09:57 PM
Assumptions - by nashama - 12-11-2004, 11:12 PM
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Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 12-11-2007, 05:15 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-16-2008, 08:38 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-16-2008, 11:48 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-17-2008, 04:16 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-17-2008, 06:42 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-18-2008, 12:01 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-18-2008, 03:57 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-18-2008, 06:47 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 02-19-2008, 02:27 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-22-2008, 04:31 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 02-27-2008, 12:46 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 06:23 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 07:12 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 02-29-2008, 08:34 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 02-29-2008, 09:26 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 03-01-2008, 12:09 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by enarxe - 03-17-2008, 01:34 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 03-17-2008, 04:57 AM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-17-2008, 08:22 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by ograabe - 03-17-2008, 08:45 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-17-2008, 09:51 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by gbausc - 03-19-2008, 08:44 PM
Re: Bible Codes in Peshitta - by Thirdwoe - 03-20-2008, 06:05 AM
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