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Mar Aphrahat, OS Mk 10:20, and the Diatessaron
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C'MON Yuri,

Can't you come up with a better example than this?

You're actually proving my hypothesis that Mar Aphrahat was paraphrasing.

The fact is that his citation matches no known version 100%, especially not Old Scratch because it lacks the word "Teacher" and includes the words "But what lack I?" Both of which go to prove that he was paraphrasing! and not quoting anything! Isn't this exactly what I have been saying from the start?

And again - you have taken the liberty to stray here and go to Old Scratch - when in your previous post all you quoted were scholars who boldly proclaimed that Mar Aphrahat used the Diatesseron.

He definitely wasn't quoting the Diatesseron - about which the scholars you pointed to are so "conclusive."

Now, you are back-pedaling and saying that Mar Aphrahat used the Diatesseron "most of the time", and the "Old Scratch" the other times (when it suits your purpose.)

You have to make up your mind - did Mar Aphrahat quote the Diatesseron or Old Scratch? So far, you have demonstrated no direct quote from either of those two versions. You're still being slippery. <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->

I have to thank you for this example - it is actually going in the "Patristic Quotes" forum to prove that Mar Aphrahat always paraphrased rather then quoting directly! (along with the other example)

Finally, you say:

yuku Wrote:Also, this study demonstrates that Mar Aphrahat probably based his Commentary on the Old Syriac Diatessaron, rather than on the separate Old Syriac gospels. This is the most economical way to explain why the Markan and the Matthean elements are combined so closely in this citation from Mar Aphrahat.

You have just very slyly re-worded my original position of his paraphrasing by using elements from both Mattai and Markus - and then you attribute this behaviour to a "probability" that he was using a "Old Syriac Diatesseron" - a text which you don't even have anymore (if it ever existed at all!)

Again, this begs the question - is he quoting Old Scratch or the Diatesseron?

Your combination of their names under "Old Syriac Diatesseron" is not only patently false, it is misleading. It implies that there was some sort of relationship between those two versions, which of course is wrong.

I want direct quotes by Mar Aphrahat from either Old Scratch or the Diatesseron - that was the original challenge, after all - got any? <!-- s:dontgetit: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dontgetit.gif" alt=":dontgetit:" title="Dont Get It" /><!-- s:dontgetit: -->
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[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 09-29-2003, 08:34 PM
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[No subject] - by The Thadman - 10-02-2003, 09:20 PM
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[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 10-02-2003, 09:45 PM
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