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Matthew 26:17 before or on
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It might be possible to translate it thus, but I don't have perfect knowledge.

Matt 26:17a "Now during the fore day of Phatiyre {the feast of the unleavened cakes}, the Talmiyde came to Eshu and said unto Him..."

Mark 14:12a "And during the fore day of Phatiyre {the feast of the unleavened cakes}, the one during which the Jews sacrifice the Paskha, the Talmiyde said unto Him..."

In Matt, using the rendering "fore day", rather than "first day" seemingly solves the problem, and wouldn't be a problem with the daleth prefix.

Note that in Mark, "the fore day", or "the 1st day", if that is the correct rendering, is said to be the day when the Jews sacrificed the lambs, which would have been on the 13th day of the 1st month on the Jewish calendar, not the 15th day of the month which begins the feast of unleavened cakes/bread, after the day of Passover.

So the problem with the rendering of "on the first day" is that the sacrifice of the lambs would then be done on the 1st day of Phatiyre {the feast of the unleavened cakes}, being the 15th day of the 1st month, which was actually two days AFTER the lambs were to be sacrificed on the 13th day, which was to be done during the daylight hours of the afternoon before the Pascha {Passover} lambs were to be eaten that evening which was the beginning of the 14th day and which proceeded Phatiyre {the feast of the unleavened cakes/breads} which was to take place the next evening on the 15th day.

Also consider the statement in Luke 20:1, where it says... "Now the feast of Phatiyre was near, which is called Paskha."

It may be that the whole period beginning with the 14th day of the 1st month, that being the day of Passover proper when the lambs were to be eaten, including the feast of Phatiyre when the unleavened bread cakes were to be eaten, was inclusively called "Passover".

So then "the 1st day of Phatiyre, could very well be on the 14th day of the 1st month, since the two feasts, Paskha/Phatiyre, were lumped together and simply called Paskha/Passover. This is true today as well where the term "Passover" includes the two, or three feast days, namely Passover/Unleavened Bread/First-Fruits.

It seems then that when the Talmiyde asked Eshu about this, it would have occurred during afternoon daylight hours of the 13th day of the 1st month, because they were to eat the slain lambs that coming evening, after sundown, which then would be the beginning of the 14th day of the week. The 15th day at sundown, 24 hours later, was the start of Phatiyre {the feast of the unleavened cakes/breads}, where no roasted lamb were eaten...because the lambs were to be fully consumed the night before, on the 14th day of the 1st month.

In any case, I think "fore day" works best in the passages, if that is an allowable rendering.

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Matthew 26:17 before or on - by distazo - 04-16-2017, 06:57 PM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by Thirdwoe - 04-18-2017, 03:47 AM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by distazo - 04-18-2017, 11:15 AM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by Thirdwoe - 04-18-2017, 05:50 PM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by distazo - 04-20-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by Thirdwoe - 04-21-2017, 02:27 AM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by distazo - 04-21-2017, 12:58 PM
RE: Matthew 26:17 before or on - by Thirdwoe - 04-22-2017, 09:25 PM

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