02-27-2013, 07:35 AM
Will,
I understand the points you have been trying to make. But you are going to have to be honest, that neither you, nor anyone alive on earth today knows what language Gabriel spoke to our Messiah's Mother on that day, instructing her what to name M?shikha. It may have been Aramaic for all you know...and you can guess that it was instead Hebrew, and was spelled and sounded like Yehoshua...but it's only a guess.
It could be true, and if it were, it wouldn?t bother me an inch?BUT the big problem we have, is that we do not have any Hebrew NT's to look at, which can be said to be copies of an original Hebrew NT. Did we lose or destroy YHWH's Holy Written Word? I don't believe so, Will. Do you?
What we do have is The Aramaic Scriptures, and The Greek and The Latin versions. So, in The Eastern Aramaic Scriptures, which YHWH has seen fit to preserve all these centuries under incredible circumstances, we have The Messiah's Name. And we see that The Greek version and the Latin version, agrees with what His Name is in The Aramaic Scriptures, which are certainly transliterations of YESHUA...with the long eee and the silent ayin, Y ESHU A ...with IESOVS (Greek) and IESU (Latin). And the original English form of His Aramaic Name is found in the original KJV, spelled thus, IESVS...which is certainly a transliteration of the same Name YESHU.
So?for almost 2000 years, and in every language where the Gospel went out to the Gentiles, His Holy Name is given in The Aramaic form. This is an indisputable fact my Brother. Are you trying to bring shame upon it? Why?
Also, as you might now?soon after 1611, the English language went through a few major changes in its letters...and one such letter change was the letter "I", which in some cases became the letter "J" ...you can see this not only in the Name JESUS, but in the name IOSHUA which was changed to JOSHUA, and IUDGES which was changed to JUDGES...and IOB to JOB...and so on. And the letter "V" in some cases became the letter "U"...so IESVS became JESUS, when the English language went through these changes... NO HACKING?or a deliberate attempt to shame His Name.
This is only spelling and sound...it is STILL the same Holy Name, even though it looks different and sounds different...like STEVEN & STEPHEN...Same name...just looks and sounds different.
So, in all the main language translations Greek/Latin/English, which YHWH saw fit to send His Message of salvation out in for these last 2000 years, to the most people?it has been THE NAME of The our Master from The Aramaic form of YESHU, now, long eee, silent ayin, through the Greek IESOVS, then the Latin IESU, then the English IESVS...and then the modern form, it?s JESUS!
So...His Name has stayed pretty much the same, Will, as it went through three totally different languages, in a transliterated form.
If YHWH wanted His Name to come to the entire world as YEHOSHUA...then, I believe we would have seen that happen, Will, but not a shred of evidence that this was the case can be seen?
I don?t have one problem with the Name of JESUS, in English?Nor should you.
Shlama/Shalom,
Chuck
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I understand the points you have been trying to make. But you are going to have to be honest, that neither you, nor anyone alive on earth today knows what language Gabriel spoke to our Messiah's Mother on that day, instructing her what to name M?shikha. It may have been Aramaic for all you know...and you can guess that it was instead Hebrew, and was spelled and sounded like Yehoshua...but it's only a guess.
It could be true, and if it were, it wouldn?t bother me an inch?BUT the big problem we have, is that we do not have any Hebrew NT's to look at, which can be said to be copies of an original Hebrew NT. Did we lose or destroy YHWH's Holy Written Word? I don't believe so, Will. Do you?
What we do have is The Aramaic Scriptures, and The Greek and The Latin versions. So, in The Eastern Aramaic Scriptures, which YHWH has seen fit to preserve all these centuries under incredible circumstances, we have The Messiah's Name. And we see that The Greek version and the Latin version, agrees with what His Name is in The Aramaic Scriptures, which are certainly transliterations of YESHUA...with the long eee and the silent ayin, Y ESHU A ...with IESOVS (Greek) and IESU (Latin). And the original English form of His Aramaic Name is found in the original KJV, spelled thus, IESVS...which is certainly a transliteration of the same Name YESHU.
So?for almost 2000 years, and in every language where the Gospel went out to the Gentiles, His Holy Name is given in The Aramaic form. This is an indisputable fact my Brother. Are you trying to bring shame upon it? Why?
Also, as you might now?soon after 1611, the English language went through a few major changes in its letters...and one such letter change was the letter "I", which in some cases became the letter "J" ...you can see this not only in the Name JESUS, but in the name IOSHUA which was changed to JOSHUA, and IUDGES which was changed to JUDGES...and IOB to JOB...and so on. And the letter "V" in some cases became the letter "U"...so IESVS became JESUS, when the English language went through these changes... NO HACKING?or a deliberate attempt to shame His Name.
This is only spelling and sound...it is STILL the same Holy Name, even though it looks different and sounds different...like STEVEN & STEPHEN...Same name...just looks and sounds different.
So, in all the main language translations Greek/Latin/English, which YHWH saw fit to send His Message of salvation out in for these last 2000 years, to the most people?it has been THE NAME of The our Master from The Aramaic form of YESHU, now, long eee, silent ayin, through the Greek IESOVS, then the Latin IESU, then the English IESVS...and then the modern form, it?s JESUS!
So...His Name has stayed pretty much the same, Will, as it went through three totally different languages, in a transliterated form.
If YHWH wanted His Name to come to the entire world as YEHOSHUA...then, I believe we would have seen that happen, Will, but not a shred of evidence that this was the case can be seen?
I don?t have one problem with the Name of JESUS, in English?Nor should you.
Shlama/Shalom,
Chuck
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