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The Age of the Peshitta
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memradya Wrote:Shalama lakhon

In the Talmud, church fathers etc when the term is well used, "syriac" (leshan sosrsi) refers to western Aramaic (palestiana, west syria). Stricto sensu, judean Aramaic, galilean Aramaic are "syriac". But the syriac of the peshitta is "eastern" Aramaic with eastern features.

And the dialect of the Peshitta is classical syriac wich doesn't appears before the middle of the 3rd century A.D. Especialy the 3rd masc sing preformativ n- wich seemed to appear under akkadien influence; the old syriac had the y- like all the other dialects.

Good points.

Galilean Aramaic's autonym was /suriston/ (a Greek loan word) and Galilean is as Western as one can get, dialect-wise. However, Galilean is not anything near what we'd call "Syriac" today.

When all taken together, the 3ms imp. preformative /n-/, extensive compound cases with suffixed /)yt/ + /hwy/, strong reliance upon proleptic /-eh d-/ for the definite genitive, etc., are all things that are very characteristically Classical Syriac that distinguishes it from Old Syriac and earlier dialects.

Also, to follow up on earlier comments, the reason why modern Aramaic languages are called "Neo-Aramaic" rather than "Neo-Syriac" is because there is no confirmed direct descent between them and Classical Syriac, which is a complicated thing to discern as Classical Syriac -- as a liturgical language -- has influenced them in varying ways dependent upon dialect. One of the biggest complications towards such a link within NENA dialects, for example, are differences between sister-dialects in the same villages. Aramaic spoken by Christians and Aramaic spoken by Jews within the same towns are more often than not mutually unintelligible; however they both often have their roots solidly in a common dialect. It seems that one was over time influenced by Syriac, where the other was over time influenced by LJLA and others, and the two communities simply didn't talk to one-another so they diverged. :-) Out of all of them, the Lishana Deni clade has some intelligibility with Chaldean Neo-Aramaic, but only partial intelligibility with Assyrian Neo-Aramaic dialects (from reports of Lishana Deni speakers). Nearly all other Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect speakers have reported that other Neo-Aramaic dialects are simply not understandable.
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The Age of the Peshitta - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-20-2013, 10:21 PM
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