10-17-2012, 06:37 AM
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I don't either, and as I said, according to the teachings of the early Church, The Father is not named, if He was, it would be all over the place in their teachings, but instead, they teach that it was The Word of God The Father, who spoke to Moses and all the Prophets revealing The Father's will. I know, cause I've read their books.
Here is what Justin Martyr says in his 2nd Apology in Chapter 6 in about 150 A.D.
"But to the Father of all, who is unbegotten there is no name given. For by whatever name He be called, He has as His elder, the person who gives Him the name. But these words Father, and God, and Creator, and Lord, and Master, are not names, but appellations derived from His good deeds and functions.
And His Son, who alone is properly called Son, the Word who also was with Him and was begotten before the works, when at first He created and arranged all things by Him, is called Christ, in reference to His being anointed and God?s ordering all things through Him; this name itself also containing an unknown significance; as also the appellation ?God? is not a name, but an opinion implanted in the nature of men of a thing that can hardly be explained.
But ?Jesus,? His name as man and Saviour, has also significance. For He was made man also, as we before said, having been conceived according to the will of God the Father, for the sake of believing men, and for the destruction of the demons."
Can you show me where it says this in Scripture? Maybe I missed it. Besides, you told me that The Son of God IS The Father, so if that's true (Not), YHWH is indeed the Name of Jesus, pre-incarnate. <!-- s:inlove: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/inlove.gif" alt=":inlove:" title="In Love" /><!-- s:inlove: -->
I say that The Name "YHWH" is The Name that The Word of God, who is The Son of God ,and who always reveals The Father who sent Him unto Mankind, gave to Moses, along with His other name "I AM', which He told Moses to give to the Israelites. Later, we see Jesus/The Word saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM." And when they came to arrest The Son of God in the Garden, they asked Him if He was Yeshu' the Nazarene, and He said "I AM" and they all went backwards and fell down. <!-- s
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But, yes....lets do get back to the discussion about the use of "Qnomah" by Mr. Alexander, did He say it should be in the plural form, as "Qnomeh"?
That would make Hebrews 1:3 read like this ---> "...Who, in His Own Persons, made the cleansing of sins, and sat down on The Right of The Greatness on High." Though he has this reading, which is just wrong, "And it was with that Essence of His Trinity...that He cleansed our sins, He Who sits from the right of the Supreme throne in the Highest."
Shlama,
Chuck
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Quote:I don't really agree with the idea that "Father" is a name. It is a title.
I don't either, and as I said, according to the teachings of the early Church, The Father is not named, if He was, it would be all over the place in their teachings, but instead, they teach that it was The Word of God The Father, who spoke to Moses and all the Prophets revealing The Father's will. I know, cause I've read their books.
Here is what Justin Martyr says in his 2nd Apology in Chapter 6 in about 150 A.D.
"But to the Father of all, who is unbegotten there is no name given. For by whatever name He be called, He has as His elder, the person who gives Him the name. But these words Father, and God, and Creator, and Lord, and Master, are not names, but appellations derived from His good deeds and functions.
And His Son, who alone is properly called Son, the Word who also was with Him and was begotten before the works, when at first He created and arranged all things by Him, is called Christ, in reference to His being anointed and God?s ordering all things through Him; this name itself also containing an unknown significance; as also the appellation ?God? is not a name, but an opinion implanted in the nature of men of a thing that can hardly be explained.
But ?Jesus,? His name as man and Saviour, has also significance. For He was made man also, as we before said, having been conceived according to the will of God the Father, for the sake of believing men, and for the destruction of the demons."
Quote:According to Scripture, the Father's name is YHWH.
Can you show me where it says this in Scripture? Maybe I missed it. Besides, you told me that The Son of God IS The Father, so if that's true (Not), YHWH is indeed the Name of Jesus, pre-incarnate. <!-- s:inlove: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/inlove.gif" alt=":inlove:" title="In Love" /><!-- s:inlove: -->
I say that The Name "YHWH" is The Name that The Word of God, who is The Son of God ,and who always reveals The Father who sent Him unto Mankind, gave to Moses, along with His other name "I AM', which He told Moses to give to the Israelites. Later, we see Jesus/The Word saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM." And when they came to arrest The Son of God in the Garden, they asked Him if He was Yeshu' the Nazarene, and He said "I AM" and they all went backwards and fell down. <!-- s
--><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->But, yes....lets do get back to the discussion about the use of "Qnomah" by Mr. Alexander, did He say it should be in the plural form, as "Qnomeh"?
That would make Hebrews 1:3 read like this ---> "...Who, in His Own Persons, made the cleansing of sins, and sat down on The Right of The Greatness on High." Though he has this reading, which is just wrong, "And it was with that Essence of His Trinity...that He cleansed our sins, He Who sits from the right of the Supreme throne in the Highest."
Shlama,
Chuck
P.S. Wow...this new Drottnar is a bunker busting bomb! <!-- s
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