01-04-2012, 04:44 AM
Brother Allen, I don't disagree with any of what you say there, nor disagree with the teaching that The Holy Spirit proceeds from The Father...this is what Holy Scripture and the Creed teaches us. I was showing there how the various passages touch on the procces of the sending forth of The Spirit of Truth, and how it shows that it is both The Spirit of The Father and The Son, that is both IN and by means of Him, that They dwell within us, through Their Holy Spirit, They "The Trinity" being ONE GOD, ONE SPIRIT....and we being God's Temple/People.
The Original Nicean Creed is correct in every part, I don't dispute any line of it, and it should not have been changed from the Original 325 A.D. version. Have you ever read Bishop Theodore's Commentary on it? It is a blessing to read.
I believe that GOD is triune, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Spirit....Being ONE GOD, yet distinct in function and position and in aspects of the relationship...The Father being Greater than The Son, for instance, not in essence, but in position and relationship....but I don't see that Holy Scripture, nor the early Church teachers of the late 1st-early 4th centuries, so far as I have found, taught what later became more of a Tri-Theistic trinity model, as they tried to combat Arianism and Gnostisim and in doing so went too far from what is taught in Holy Scripture, which led to the teaching that Mary, the Mother of The Messiah, becoming in their minds, The Mother of GOD, and GOD bleeding and dying on the Cross.
In any case, I don't believe that we will have the full grasp of this Holy Mystery until God so choses to reveal the whole understanding to us...And if you see a particular thing that I said that does not agree with what The Scriptures teach, then please point it out, so I can reconsider it in further study and prayer.
Shlama,
Chuck
The Original Nicean Creed is correct in every part, I don't dispute any line of it, and it should not have been changed from the Original 325 A.D. version. Have you ever read Bishop Theodore's Commentary on it? It is a blessing to read.
I believe that GOD is triune, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Spirit....Being ONE GOD, yet distinct in function and position and in aspects of the relationship...The Father being Greater than The Son, for instance, not in essence, but in position and relationship....but I don't see that Holy Scripture, nor the early Church teachers of the late 1st-early 4th centuries, so far as I have found, taught what later became more of a Tri-Theistic trinity model, as they tried to combat Arianism and Gnostisim and in doing so went too far from what is taught in Holy Scripture, which led to the teaching that Mary, the Mother of The Messiah, becoming in their minds, The Mother of GOD, and GOD bleeding and dying on the Cross.
In any case, I don't believe that we will have the full grasp of this Holy Mystery until God so choses to reveal the whole understanding to us...And if you see a particular thing that I said that does not agree with what The Scriptures teach, then please point it out, so I can reconsider it in further study and prayer.
Shlama,
Chuck