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Good Wednesday or Good Friday?
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Quote:I agree on some points you raise and vehemently disagree with others. Could Jesus have been Crucified on a Wednesday, maybe, but there are problems with this hypothesis. St Paul refers to the "Lord's" day, which was the first day of the week. The first day of the week representing new life and completion of the law, including the sabbath. Alan G77 ? Sat May 07, 2011 10:20 pm

Acts 20-7 and 1st Corinth 16 1-2

My apologies, it was not called the Lords day, but these two passages show comprehensively that Christians gathered on a Sunday, not a Saturday. Alan G77 ? Sun May 08, 2011 3:39 pm

The following are quoted from KJV:
Deuteronomy 19:15 "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established." Isaiah 8:2 "And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah." Matthew 18:16 "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." 2 Corinthians 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Jeremiah 42:5 "Then they said to Jeremiah, The LORD be a true and faithful witness between us, if we do not even according to all things for the which the LORD thy God shall send thee to us."

Matthew 12:8 "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Mark 2:28 "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Luke 6:5 "And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Here, the Messiah stated three times that He is the Lord of the Sabbath. He is the true witness; who will dispute that He lived without sin? And, having lived without sin, He could not bear false witness against Himself. Who is any man to presume to go against the words of the Creator and Redeemer?

Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet," Here, the Apostle John is speaking and he was a Sabbath keeper.

From the foregoing, It follows that "the Lord's day" is Sabbath and not Sunday.

IF the Sabbath was abolished, why, in Isaiah's prophecy about the new earth, does it say we will worship from one new moon to another and one Sabbath to another? Isaiah 66:22,23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."

Mark 2:27 "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" The first chapter of the Gospel of John makes it clear that the Messiah was also the creator. He not only did the work of creation during the six days, but also "created" the Sabbath rest for Himself and for mankind. The Sabbath was made for man; it is a symbol of the union (creation and redemption) between the Messiah and mankind. My wife says, "Why would anyone want to give up that union? It's like a woman saying she wants to give up sex with the husband she claims to love. So many think of the Sabbath as a yoke around their neck instead of being a pleasure. It's like a marriage; it can be either a yoke or a pleasure."

Alan claims "Apostolic authority" for what he believes. The so-called Apostolic authority is the RCC and they readily admit their claim that "they" "had the authority" to change the Sabbath to Sunday. The history of the changes is published under the primature of Pontifica Universitas Gregoriana, that is, The Pontifical Gregorian University Press, Rome 1977. The book by Samuele Bacchiocchi is titled From Sabbath to Sunday. A web search for RCC doctrine and claimed authority confirms these claims. Inspection of every one of the "Apostolic authorities" quoted by Alan reveals their claims are founded on tradition, not Scripture. The Messiah and other Spripture say not to follow the traditions of men:

Matthew 15:3,6lp "But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? ... Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition." Mark 7:5-9,13 "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. ... Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye." Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Following are two examples of how the RCC has substituted their traditions for the plain language of Scripture.
"Q. What is the Third Commandment?
"A. Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath-day.
"Q. What are we commanded by this?
"A. To spend the Sunday in prayer and other religious Duties."
An abridgment of Christian doctrine: revised and enlarged by R.C. and published for the use of the L---n district. (Emphasis in original).

?From this same Catholic Church you have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord?s day, she has handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, in?adequate as it of course is, as well as your Sunday, you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church? D.B. Ray, The Papal Controversy, p. 179, 1892. (See the whole article at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.realtruth.org/articles/070831-005-wasw.html">http://www.realtruth.org/articles/070831-005-wasw.html</a><!-- m -->).

As to the corruption of the churches, note that the Messiah threw the money changers out of the temple:
John 2:14-16 "And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise." Now compare 26 USC 501©(3) [religious organizations] with 26 USC 508©(1)(A) [churches]. These statutes may be found with a web search. My point? Religious organizations are houses of merchandise and are not churches.

My Testimony: Yeshua lived what I cannot live; Yeshua died what I should die; Yeshua arose from death on the third day as my assurance for eternal life. I accept. Amen.
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Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-23-2010, 03:19 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by judge - 07-25-2010, 10:21 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 07-26-2010, 10:25 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by distazo - 07-28-2010, 08:23 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-28-2010, 09:05 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by distazo - 07-29-2010, 06:57 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-29-2010, 02:33 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-29-2010, 07:07 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 07-31-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-31-2010, 04:23 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by ograabe - 08-05-2010, 03:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-05-2010, 04:07 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-19-2010, 02:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 08-19-2010, 10:46 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-20-2010, 03:27 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by noordos - 08-20-2010, 11:02 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 08-21-2010, 02:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-01-2011, 06:53 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 05-01-2011, 08:49 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-01-2011, 09:37 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-02-2011, 04:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-02-2011, 10:53 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-03-2011, 01:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-03-2011, 08:45 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 05:20 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 05:29 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-08-2011, 05:54 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-08-2011, 10:44 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-09-2011, 04:44 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-09-2011, 10:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-09-2011, 10:33 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 02:39 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 03:00 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 04:59 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 10:58 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 11:31 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 12:46 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 01:32 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-10-2011, 06:54 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 05-10-2011, 07:16 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 10:27 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-10-2011, 10:29 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 05-11-2011, 12:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 05:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-11-2011, 09:56 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-11-2011, 09:59 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-12-2011, 12:09 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-17-2011, 07:06 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-17-2011, 11:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-18-2011, 05:19 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-27-2011, 12:16 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 05-29-2011, 03:15 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Daniel814 - 05-29-2011, 04:55 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 05-31-2011, 07:17 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 06-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 06-07-2011, 06:27 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-20-2011, 04:06 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-20-2011, 04:32 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 12:26 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-20-2011, 01:25 PM
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Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by borota - 07-20-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 03:57 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-21-2011, 04:08 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 03:09 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-21-2011, 05:45 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-22-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Dani - 07-22-2011, 09:58 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-22-2011, 11:06 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by rramlow - 07-23-2011, 05:09 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-23-2011, 05:28 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-23-2011, 07:21 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-24-2011, 05:15 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 02:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 02:56 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 03:13 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 03:20 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:34 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:38 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 06:24 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 06:47 AM
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Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:44 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 05:24 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 06:17 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by konway87 - 07-25-2011, 06:26 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-25-2011, 08:48 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Alan G77 - 07-26-2011, 09:22 AM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Thirdwoe - 07-26-2011, 05:47 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Sarah - 02-18-2013, 03:03 PM
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Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by Sarah - 03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
Re: Good Wednesday or Good Friday? - by ClaudeA - 05-15-2013, 12:42 AM

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