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Good Wednesday or Good Friday?
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Quote:Acts 20:7

This was actually explained by Andrew Roth long time ago. Here is a small explanation that I collected from Aramaic Scholar Andrew Roth.

"By our western reckoning, the timing of the breaking of bread was not even on Sunday! It is only by sloppily reading Acts 20:7 that it appears to be Sunday. The question is
though, how can this be when the text clearly says "first day of the week
"?

I respect Andrew, but Andrew can make mistakes and interpret scripture with his own biases. We have evidence from the first and early second century that the Lords day was a Sunday, not a Saturday. Let me explain, the Apostles went to Asia, Europe and Africa and what we find in all these continents is that they worshipped on a Sunday, please remember that the ACOE had nothing to do with these other Churches and grew independently. But yet we see that all these peoples, from different lands were worshipping on a Sunday, coincidence? Hardly. The Apostles, including Paul knew that to keep the sabbath was to keep the whole law and WE DO NOT keep the law, for if you keep one part of the law you must keep it all. I would rather trust the Early Church Fathers who were closer to the event than putting my faith in Andrew.

Quote:The answer is that it was the first day of the week by Jewish standards, with the time being reckoned from sunset to sunset. By our western calendar though it was not Sunday, but late Saturday night. "Sunday" would not officially begin until midnight, the exact time that the text tells us Paul kept talking to his people! And so, what does that fact have to do with today's Christians getting up on the following morning and going to "church"? Absolutely nothing! Do Christians gauge their days sunset to sunset? Of course not! Do they have an after Shabbat meal and worship for the most part on Saturday evening? Not in the least! Therefore, there is no linkage.

This is pure conjecture based on prejudice and biases, backed with nothing more than rhetoric.

Quote:Instead, what is going on is a time-honored Jewish tradition, an after Shabbat meal called havdilah, where people literally got together to break bread (Jeremiah 16:7). The apostles then were not instituting a new day of rest, but were simply following the ancient traditions of their ancestors. Funny thing though, I don't see many rabbis claiming that the breaking of bread in Jeremiah's day replaced Shabbat worship, do you?"


Rubbish, if Paul meant the sabbath he would of stated it was the sabbath, why would he need to differentiate his wording? He did so we could differentiate between the sabbath and Sunday. Paul was referring to the Eucharist not a Jewish tradition, this is conjecture by Andrew. Paul was preaching against these traditions, why would he honor them?

1 Corinthians 16-2

Quote:Here is an information I collected long time ago from a website. Here is the explanation on 1 Corinthians 16-2.

It must be noted that the keyword used in this verse is "first of sabbaths." Check Aramaic Peshitta or Greek Texts. The term "first of sabbaths" is used for the Feast of First Fruits, which is the beginning of the "week of weeks", or 7 weeks until Pentecost. Pentecost is after completion of 7 weekly Sabbaths (49 days). The "first of sabbaths" is just prior to Pentecost, since it is 49 days prior (1 Corinthians 16:8). This indicates a yearly feast day, and not a weekly occurrance.

It was during this time that a collection was taken up by Paul for those in Jerusalem, in accordance with Deuteronomy 16:9-11. It was on the "first of Sabbaths" (John 20:1) that Christ said "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

More of the same, if it were the sabbath and Paul observed the Sabbath he would not of refuted the whole of the law and he would not have "worked" on the sabbath or made others work. Jesus fulfilled the law and freed us from it, Jesus's sacrifice would be for nothing if we are to keep the sabbath and that is why no Christians have kept it since the beginning of the movement. The law was abolished and with it the sabbath, we have entered into rest with the Lord. Do you honestly believe that after 2000 years you will be able to come and correct us? Lol, if you do not confess Yeshua as the Lord and part of the Holy Trinity, if you attempt to pour new wine into old wine skins, they will burst and thus your faith is futile. You my friend are in error.


Quote:This is what happened on the Sunday after the Lord was resurrected, for there was not a change in the Sabbath day. Regardless, there is no commandment in the Bible that ever changed the Sabbath day to another day.

No, but the entire LAW was scrapped, the sabbath went bye bye with it.
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