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1 Corinthians 10:11
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Andrew Gabriel Roth Wrote:Not only that, but what Judge said isn't Scriptural either. I will show that in a moment..

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Quote:Now, as for the ETERNAL duration of Israel and her people...

Unfortunately ETERNAL in the hebrew language does not mean for ever and ever. It might have this meaning on occasion possibly but let have look at it's usage in the hebrew bible.

1 Kings 8:13 I have surely built you an house to dwell in, a settled place for you to abide in for ever [olam].

The temple was destroyed so this cant mean for ever and ever.

Exodus 21:6 then his master shall bring him to God. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him always [olam].

Not for ever and ever. We could go on and on and on with examples here.



Quote:Psalms 137:1-6
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. 2 There on the poplars we hung our harps, 3 for there our captors asked us for songs, our tormentors demanded songs of joy; they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!" 4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord while in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. 6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy.

As God has no roof of his mouth I think we can conclude this is the psalmist not God speaking here.

Quote:2 Samuel 7:23-26
23 And who is like your people Israel--the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O Lord, have become their God. 25 "And now, Lord God, keep forever the promise you have made concerning your servant and his house. Do as you promised, 26 so that your name will be great forever. Then men will say, 'The Lord Almighty is God over Israel!' And the house of your servant David will be established before you.

See the meaning of the hebrew "olam" (for ever and ever) given above. It just means a long time.

Quote:1Ch 22:10 -
He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.'

See Acts chapter 2

29"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ

Quote:1Ch 23:25 -
For David had said, "Since the Lord, the God of Israel, has granted rest to his people and has come to dwell in Jerusalem forever,

So...did God dwell there forever (as in eternal). Did God dwell in an earthly temple for ever? Come on Andrew.

Quote:1Ch 28:4 -
"Yet the Lord, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the house of Judah he chose my family.

Forever...as in eternal?

And from the NT--

Quote:Ro 11:2 -
God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel:

A remnant was brought in pre 70 AD

Quote:Ro 11:26 -

26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.

So...didn't God take away their sins already? Im not sure of your point here.
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1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-14-2009, 01:01 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Dawid - 08-16-2009, 03:51 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 08-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by ograabe - 08-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-17-2009, 11:56 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Dawid - 08-17-2009, 02:36 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 08-17-2009, 07:08 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-18-2009, 04:15 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-18-2009, 04:23 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by ograabe - 08-18-2009, 02:45 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 08-18-2009, 05:34 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by ograabe - 08-18-2009, 06:53 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 08-18-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by ograabe - 08-18-2009, 08:16 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-19-2009, 07:31 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Stephen Silver - 08-20-2009, 01:23 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-20-2009, 01:37 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Stephen Silver - 08-20-2009, 03:21 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Burning one - 08-20-2009, 06:10 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-20-2009, 02:29 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Dawid - 08-23-2009, 02:24 PM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by judge - 08-24-2009, 06:50 AM
Re: 1 Corinthians 10:11 - by Dawid - 08-25-2009, 01:48 AM

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