Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Setting the record straight
#31
Andrew Gabriel Roth Wrote:Shlama all--

Apparently the message hasn't gotten totally through yet. I will try one more time. I did not "avoid plagiarism by the narrowest of margins" because the works are PUBLIC DOMAIN. I don't know how many different ways I can say this. You can NOT plagiarize public domain works. It doesn't matter WHERE attribution of if it is given with public domain resources.

As Plagiarism.org points out, there are a lot of kinds of plagiarism. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_types_of_plagiarism.html">http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_ ... arism.html</a><!-- m -->
And some of these are legal. Technically, Mr. Roth, plagiarism of a public domain source is legal. It's still plagiarism, though.
Note this line from Wikipedia: Plagiarism is not copyright infringement. While both terms may apply to a particular act, they are different transgressions.

Andrew Gabriel Roth Wrote:Nevertheless, I went above and beyond in giving attribution, though I didn't have to. I did so to be open and honest, and as I answered each charge, the critics simply tried and failed to change tactics they were using against me. Let's review.

3) Then they said that I didn't give "attribution" which I didn't have to give, but nevertheless did give in hundreds of places, like the footnotes. (How about apologizing for getting this fact wrong?)

The point was dealt with above. The second I didn't fully understand, but I think I'm in agreement with you.
It is true that you gave attribution, but I know how few people read introductions and such. And without doing that you miss the attribution and you don't know what (PY) and (JM) mean.

AGR Wrote:4) Then they said "OK, you gave attribution in the footnotes, but not in the Preface which is the proper place." First, again, there is NO LAW requiring WHERE I give attribution. Second, I did give attribution in the Preface, reproduced the two paragraphs. (How about apologizing for getting this fact wrong too?)

I don't think he's talking about legally. You were completely legal, and I'm pretty sure Mr. Bauscher will agree with me on that.

AGR Wrote:5) In addition, I have explained the definitions in the full rebuttal on Refiners FIre the terms:
a) MARI - Murdock-Roth-Younan.
b) The meaning of the sub title, " a compilation, annotation and translation".
c) That I have cross checked EVERY line in AENT against my own Aramaic understanding.
d) That even if Bauscher was correct, the fact is there are almost 400 pages of totally new features, essays, grammar guides, 1500 footnotes that are totally of my own creation, etc.
e) That the Aramaic text is itself carefully annotated (there's that word again) and checked against the 1905-20 Critical Edition with hundreds of places of major and minor variants cited. This is something that, BTW, Bauscher does NOT do. Bauscher would have you believe the Western Peshitto, the latest version of the Aramaic NT, is letter for letter identical to the autographs and divinely encoded.

I didn't know what MARI meant until Friday. Not that you meant to conceal it, but it is easy to miss.
"a compilation, annotation and translation" is somewhat vague. It is great to have this in the subtitle to alert readers to what it is, only it is still a little unclear.
From the aspect of plagiarism what you add that is your own is irrelevant if you took credit for something that wasn't yours. You didn't take credit for something not yours. But I don't think that your point (d) applies.

AGR Wrote:"barely avoided plagiarism" my behind. How dare you?

Please don't become indignant. I'm sorry if this is offensive to you, but I believe I am being respectful, gentle, and liberal. Please return this courtesy.

AGR Wrote:PS--As for the bibliography issue, I didn't view that as being super critical only because all the sources are clearly listed up front and others as needed in the footnotes and essays. The overriding pattern seems to be confusion that only arises from not reading my posts here or the info I give in the AENT preface. I mean, I attribute Khabouris Codex, I atttribute the 1905-20 Critical Edition by BFBS, I attribute Murdock, I attribute Younan. When I want to contrast with Lamsa, Etheridge or anyone else, guess what, I say so.

I understand that, but one cannot be too careful or too clear.
Expecting everyone who buys your book to have read the posts here is probably a bit much. As for not reading the preface, it may be inexcusable, but it is also not uncommon.

AGR Wrote:If folks think on top of all this there needs to be a bibliography page as well, we will consider that. The proper place for that however is on AENT.org, or email Baruch at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@aent.org">info@aent.org</a><!-- e -->. That's a minor style point at best, and there is nothing wrong with the way the sources are listed in AENT. Again the important thing is that they ARE listed. Even the two main systems, MLA and Turabian, disagree often on how to do this, and the styles have changed quite a bit over the years.

I sincerely hope this is clear.

It's a bit more than a minor point. And I don't understand what you're trying to say when you mention the two styles. I don't think anyone is going to object to you using the wrong style book, as long as the attributions are made.


Messages In This Thread
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 07:30 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 04-30-2009, 05:08 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 04-30-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-01-2009, 05:18 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 01:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-02-2009, 10:47 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Thirdwoe - 05-02-2009, 07:39 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:45 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-02-2009, 09:52 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:45 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 02:58 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-03-2009, 03:48 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 03:46 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 04:21 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 04:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:03 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 07:23 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 07:42 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 05-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:19 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 04:42 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 07:11 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-04-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 07:28 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Paul Younan - 05-05-2009, 02:30 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-05-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 05-05-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by enarxe - 05-06-2009, 12:03 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by judge - 05-06-2009, 02:57 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 05-06-2009, 05:33 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-13-2009, 09:44 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 03:12 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Burning one - 09-14-2009, 06:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Dawid - 09-14-2009, 11:20 AM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 03:33 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by gbausc - 09-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Setting the record straight - by Christina - 09-14-2009, 07:02 PM

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)