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Gawrah again and again
Shalom Akhi Yochanan,

Yochanan5730 Wrote:i'm not sure i understand what it is your getting to, but i am looking forward to a further post on this <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

Here's the point of posting the Jeremiah quote, Akh - (didn't mean to make you blush!) :

Gowra(Aramaic)~Gever(Hebrew)~Jabbar(Arabic) is a word that defines, quintessentially, the very essential state, in its purest form, of masculinity. It is not a word that is used merely for a husband, nor merely for a father. It could be a brother. An uncle. A grandfather. Even a cousin. A warrior. Yep, a rooster, too. And last but not least, even a prominent part of the male physiology (check out some rabbinic writings if you want to blush.)

See the pattern ?

So, I used the Jeremiah quote because I wanted to make sure you understand that: that G-B-R (in all 3 Semitic tongues) = Slang for "The Quintessence of Masculinity."


Akhi, when a girl is still a maiden....anyone in her family could be a "gawra" to her. Her older brother, if her father has passed away. When she is married, her husband is referred, again in slang, as her "gawra~gever~jabbar." She is still, in slang, a "Niqwa" - her marital state is not even a factor. Remember that we are dealing with a very ancient, middle-eastern, Patriarchal society.

The practice of genealogy in this type of society typically did not mention the females. It is remarkable that Mary is mentioned at all - yet, it's to be expected since Joseph (her husband) had no part to play in the conception and Matthew wanted to establish the lineage by flesh....important of course as that was to the Jewish audience he was addressing.

Since "Gever" can mean so many different things - how can we be sure of what it means in the genealogy of Matthew?

Well, given that it is a genealogy - the perfect contextual meaning is that of one generation from before Miriam, right? We can easily rule out warrior, or rooster.....or, you-know-what.

Additionally, just a little distance further in Matthew.....Joseph, her husband Joseph, is called her "baal" - I'm sure you recognize that name. That is used more specifically to mean "husband."

So, as I state in my article - the fact that Matthew uses two different words, in two different contexts, to refer to "Joseph" - suggests that it was two different "Josephs" that he was referring to. Reasonable? I think so.

I realize you are looking for a quote from before 100 years ago, that shows a definitive usage of Gawra to mean specifically "father" - when and if I do find run across an example, I will post it. All I have to give to you now is the testimony of a community that still asks for the "gawra" of the household (gawra de betha) when they knock on the door to request a girl's hand in marriage.

Assyrians on this forum like Karl, Lars & Sonia Lindgren, and others can tell you more.

Take care!
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Messages In This Thread
Gawrah again and again - by Yochanan5730 - 11-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Paul Younan - 11-25-2008, 11:22 PM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Stephen Silver - 11-26-2008, 03:43 AM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by ograabe - 11-26-2008, 04:50 PM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Yochanan5730 - 11-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by judge - 11-27-2008, 10:15 PM
Levistam Font - by Stephen Silver - 11-28-2008, 12:14 AM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Paul Younan - 11-28-2008, 05:55 AM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Mshikhaya - 11-28-2008, 09:04 AM
Re: Gawrah again and again - by Yochanan5730 - 12-27-2008, 11:08 AM

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