Metatron

[Yochanan5730]

So...you think this is Merkabah mysticism? Astral projection and other such things? No wonder Andrew didn't want to talk to me about this subject. If only you knew man... I love that story of the sages who who saw this vision, the "hidden things", I also think that the legend is not entirely correct:

Rabbi Akiva entered, and exited in peace.

Well, so to speak- he supported Bar Kosiba, maybe he was slightly "kooky" after receiving this Revelation . So even poor Akiva did not entirely recover if you think about it.

it does not work in accord with the tradition, nor is it some hidden revelation of Mashi'ach within the tradition

these are autonomous doctrines of their own content and subject and can be spiritually dangerous and misleading

I am one hundred percent in agreement that if you don't follow plain scripture you shouldn't delve into this. I myself rarely read this mysticism, only enough to further apreciate the plain scripture I already understand fully and even then it's too quite a bit.

Sh'lama-Shalom Rafa <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->
it isn't so much that i think it is Merkavah Mysticism, i know that it is. and i do not readily support the teachings of Kabbalistic doctrine in connection with the learning of our Messiah. there are many interesting methods of interpretation that i have learned, but the application of such things do not, or rather, should not create new doctrines that would add to the splendour of the plain text. in looking into some methods of interpretation, all the neat little anomalies in the Hebrew text, when properly interpreted, point to the Messiah, or so i have found. but this is referring to method of interpretation as i have learned from my studies of kabbalah, and not of kabbalistic doctrine itself.

since there has been some mention on another thread about theological issues and doctrine, i do want to take this opportunity to express my apologies to everyone, particularly the moderators, if it seems that i am promoting any theology or doctrine. this was not my intention in explaining the things pertaining to the Kabbalah that i have posted in this thread and in the other one concerning the trinity that has been locked. it was my intention to explain that Kabbalistic doctrines, which i am very familiar with, do not coincide with Messianic/Christian teachings of our Messiah. essentially, if we can take these mystical doctrines and apply them to Messiah, then we can easily take the teachings of the Tao Te Ch'ing or other spiritualities and do likewise, simply because there seems to be something similar to an idea or concept in our doctrines concerning Messiah as related to the scriptures. and there are those who have done so. Chanokh' (Enoch), AKA Metatron in the Hekhaloth tradition, is considered an "Ascended Master" or "Christed One" by certain other occult groups, along with, and being either part of, or reincarnated as, Budha, Confucious, Elijah and others, even Jesus. <!-- s:crazy: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/crazy.gif" alt=":crazy:" title="Crazy" /><!-- s:crazy: -->

it is my intention to discourage brothers and sisters in our Lord from looking into these things for supposed "deeper" wisdom and knowledge, especially if they really do not know anything about the stuff or its tradition. i am sure some who read this would gladly call me wrong or foolish, or simply ignore me, believing they know what they're studying, but for the record, i was a legitimate student of these things (not at a Madonna class level), and not merely a book reader. so, once again, my apologies.

Many Blessings...
Yochanan