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"Losing Jesus' Language"
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Akhi Judge,

You never heard of the peace movement in Israel? But no people on this earth, save perhaps Gandhi's India, have ever 100% eliminated retaliation as an option against those who seek to destroy them. Nevertheless, there are many in Israel and elsewhere who want a two state solution with the Palestinian people (I'm not one of these, but neither do I want an endless cycle of violence either). And I did not say "only negotiate" but "want to negotiate". I have friends who believe that Israel should not build that wall so as not to inflame the situation further (I again disagree) but those people are STILL ZIONISTS.

Again, a Zionist is someone who believes in Israel's right to exist within peace and secure borders. Just like anyone else, no more and no less.

And again, my point against Bar Khela is not that I agree with everyrone who calls themselves a Zionist and defend every little thing Sharon does. My point is that NO ONE should say "all ANYTHING" are wicked.

What if I did that? What if I said "all Christians are wicked" or "all Democrats are wicked" simply because I had a political or a religious difference? I have no doubt that such statements would earn wrath against myself, and rightfully so.

If you have never heard of the idea of people who want to exist as Jews in Israel but not kill every Palestinian around them, then that only strengthens my point about the lies and anti-Semitism that is festering in the world. You don't see those people on the news much, and so distortion is inevitable. But they are all over the place if read Ha'Aretz.

My personal view is that Palestinians should participate in the Israeli government, in the Parliament, in the Knesset, as is their right as Israeli citizens. If there are excesses or violations of their civil rights, to property, etc., then they can use their formidible numbers to legislate for change legitimately like the rest of the world does. But again, repeated requests for them to do this have been refused because they don't want to be a partner in Israel. Instead, they want Israel for themselves. If not, they should have accepted the Barak deal in 1999.

And finally, no one seems to remember that we are told in Torah that YHWH blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse her. YHWH would sooner forget his right arm than forget Israel.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
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"Losing Jesus' Language" - by oozeaddai - 02-05-2005, 05:36 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-05-2005, 10:25 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:22 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 09:15 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 01:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 01:58 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:21 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 02:33 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-06-2005, 03:00 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 03:48 PM
Christ incarnate is in our midst - by gbausc - 02-06-2005, 05:07 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 06:23 PM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 02-06-2005, 06:51 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-06-2005, 07:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-06-2005, 08:16 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-07-2005, 03:54 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-07-2005, 08:05 PM
Re: Not having it. - by Dan Gan - 02-08-2005, 02:24 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-08-2005, 03:22 AM
Re: Not having it. - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 09:32 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-08-2005, 10:06 PM
Michael the Elder - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 05:12 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 02-09-2005, 05:22 PM
'Put to the Sword' - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:17 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-09-2005, 11:15 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 12:35 AM
I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-10-2005, 01:14 AM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-11-2005, 01:44 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-13-2005, 02:55 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-13-2005, 07:33 PM
Re: I don't believe this - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 03:39 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-14-2005, 05:21 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-14-2005, 11:04 PM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-14-2005, 11:32 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-15-2005, 12:00 AM
[No subject] - by judge - 02-15-2005, 08:48 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-15-2005, 11:13 PM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-16-2005, 01:43 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-17-2005, 12:17 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-17-2005, 03:38 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 12:36 AM
[No subject] - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 03:50 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Islam and Allah - by shimoun63 - 02-18-2005, 04:42 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 06:20 PM
ALLAH IS A ZIONIST - by Uma - 02-18-2005, 06:27 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-18-2005, 07:04 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 02-18-2005, 07:11 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 02-18-2005, 09:09 PM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-19-2005, 03:07 AM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-19-2005, 05:18 AM
[No subject] - by shimoun63 - 02-19-2005, 08:26 AM
[No subject] - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 02-19-2005, 02:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 02-20-2005, 04:20 AM
[No subject] - by oozeaddai - 02-21-2005, 01:40 AM

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