11-04-2008, 02:14 AM
shlomo Thirdwoe,
Here's a complete definition from CAL which covers the many dialects of Aramaic (most of the references are Jewish) on how 'ruvto is used:
??????????, det. ???????????? n.f. eve, Friday (---> ??????????????; Mng. 1: CPA \f7(rwbt) d$wbt)\f1
HS 8:104, Mal (ro:ba Berg, Gl 6; mng. 2: SA
???????????? Asatir 1:16, Sy \f7(rwbt)\f1 LS 546) 1. eve: sg.
?????? ?????? ?????????? eve of the New Year Tan 66a(42) // Meg 70d(9) // Ned 40d(56);
?????? ???????? ???????????? on the eve of the Day of Atonement Ter
45c(62) // AZ 41a(52); BRV 60 91:7; RuR 88:97; ?????????? ??????????????
the eve of Pesach ib. 96; ???????????? ?????????? the eve of
the Sabbatical year Svi 39a(35); ???????? ?????????? eve of the
Sabbath (i.e. Friday; ---> mng. 2) MS 56a(10); ib. 12; Sab
3a(27) // Qid 61a(47); Tan 66a(42); ib. 69a(38); Meg 70d(9) //
Ned 40d(56)[!]; AZ 44d(41); 2. esp. Friday: sg. ?????????? ?????? BRV 60
91:7; ?????????? ?????? EchRB 106:1; ???????????? BRV 60 95:8; MMDam Gen
36:21; AZ 40d(28); EchRB 126:2; ?????????????? ?????? ???????? the Day
of Atonement (falls) on Friday Meg 70b(25); ?????????????? ???????? Pes
30d(2) // Tan 64c(24); ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????? sunset on
Friday Ter 46b(64); ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? BR 689:2; ???????? ???????? ??????????????
towards evening on Friday MS 54d(43); Sab 14d(26); BR 688:8
By copying and pasting to the forum, all of the Hebrew letters appear in reverse order, so here's the link to the exact page:
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'ruvto by itself can only be Friday, but as mentioned earlier if it is written in the construct state such as < 'ruvt > or < 'ruvto d >, meaning "eve of" then you can write "eve of ..."
push bashlomo,
keefa-morun
Thirdwoe Wrote:Can we say then that 'ruvto could never mean "the preperation day" of the start of Passover if the 14th of Nissan is not on a Friday evening to Saturday evening...?
Here's a complete definition from CAL which covers the many dialects of Aramaic (most of the references are Jewish) on how 'ruvto is used:
??????????, det. ???????????? n.f. eve, Friday (---> ??????????????; Mng. 1: CPA \f7(rwbt) d$wbt)\f1
HS 8:104, Mal (ro:ba Berg, Gl 6; mng. 2: SA
???????????? Asatir 1:16, Sy \f7(rwbt)\f1 LS 546) 1. eve: sg.
?????? ?????? ?????????? eve of the New Year Tan 66a(42) // Meg 70d(9) // Ned 40d(56);
?????? ???????? ???????????? on the eve of the Day of Atonement Ter
45c(62) // AZ 41a(52); BRV 60 91:7; RuR 88:97; ?????????? ??????????????
the eve of Pesach ib. 96; ???????????? ?????????? the eve of
the Sabbatical year Svi 39a(35); ???????? ?????????? eve of the
Sabbath (i.e. Friday; ---> mng. 2) MS 56a(10); ib. 12; Sab
3a(27) // Qid 61a(47); Tan 66a(42); ib. 69a(38); Meg 70d(9) //
Ned 40d(56)[!]; AZ 44d(41); 2. esp. Friday: sg. ?????????? ?????? BRV 60
91:7; ?????????? ?????? EchRB 106:1; ???????????? BRV 60 95:8; MMDam Gen
36:21; AZ 40d(28); EchRB 126:2; ?????????????? ?????? ???????? the Day
of Atonement (falls) on Friday Meg 70b(25); ?????????????? ???????? Pes
30d(2) // Tan 64c(24); ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????? sunset on
Friday Ter 46b(64); ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? BR 689:2; ???????? ???????? ??????????????
towards evening on Friday MS 54d(43); Sab 14d(26); BR 688:8
By copying and pasting to the forum, all of the Hebrew letters appear in reverse order, so here's the link to the exact page:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/cgi-bin/jpaoff.cgi?off=1884038">http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/cgi-bin/jpaoff.cgi?off=1884038</a><!-- m -->
Thirdwoe Wrote:Is there not a Sabbath, day of rest there as well, even if it is not the seventh day of the week? And if so, could the day before it ever be called 'ruvto?
'ruvto by itself can only be Friday, but as mentioned earlier if it is written in the construct state such as < 'ruvt > or < 'ruvto d >, meaning "eve of" then you can write "eve of ..."
push bashlomo,
keefa-morun