11-01-2008, 07:06 PM
shlomo Thirdwoe,
The term "hearth of the earth" (???????? ??????????) is a reference to hell, so at the moment of His death he went there to liberate us from hell.
In Semitic culture (i.e. Jewish, Canaanite, Aramean, Assyrian, etc...) we don't bury our dead under the ground; we put them in catacombs above the ground. To this day each family in Lebanon has their own family catacomb. The only people in the middle-east who bury their dead under the ground are the Muslims.
Here it says, that in the evening (i.e. Sunday - equivalent to the western Saturday evening) they came to see the catacomb (after the Sabbath). Here the word came (??????) just tells us that they came to the catacomb; but not length of the period before the angel appeared to them nor even how long it took them to reach the catacomb.
The abruptness between matay 28:1 and matay 28:2 in the Aramaic would seem to indicate that the author skipped right to the next important event (i.e. the angel appearing.)
In essence the gospel of matay gave us a short summary of the events that occurred.
Now marqos 16:2, and luqo 24:1 fill in the blanks and give us what happened at daybreak (i.e. the events with the angels) with additional details
And yuhanon 20:1 on the other hand gives an even shorter summary of the events than matay, but clearly states that they made it to the catacomb in the morning hours of Sunday.
Here if we combine the Aramaic text from the four gospels we're giving a detailed image of what happened:
All four gospels agree that they came on Sunday (?????????? ???????? ???? ????????) (Semitic time) and after the Sabbath (???? ???????? ????????); it seems that before they started their journey they bought some anointments (?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????????????). After buying the anointments they must have walked for a while until they reached the catacomb; and it seems that they reached it while the day was just breaking (?????????? ???? ????????). While they were going there a great earthquake happened which opened the door of the catacomb -- caused by the angel (?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????). When they reached the catacomb door, as the sun was coming up (???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ????????) they saw that the door was already opened (?????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????), and the body of yeshu' wasn't there (???? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????). At that point they saw two men standing by them with shinning garments (???? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????) and with one situated near the rock (???????? ???????? ?????? ????????) on the right side (???????? ???? ??????????). It would seem that the one on the right side did the actual talking (as the other one is only mentioned by the gospel of luqo); and the one on the right hand side told them not to be afraid as yeshu' had risen ( ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ???? ????) he that was crucified and then asked them what they wanted of the living among the dead (?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ????????) and reminded them of the rising on the third day (?????????? ?????????? ????????). Although here they use the generic term for day, we remember the precision that yeshu' had made in matay 12:40
Here are the actual verses:
matay 28:1 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????
matay 28:2 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ????????
marqos 16:1 => ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????????????
marqos 16:2 => ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ????????
marqos 16:3 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????
marqos 16:4 => ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????
marqos 16:5 => ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ????????
marqos 16:6 => ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ??????
luqo 24:1 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????
luqo 24:2 => ?????????? ???????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ??????????
luqo 24:3 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????
luqo 24:4 => ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????
luqo 24:5 => ???????? ???????????? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ????????
luqo 24:6 => ???????????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???? ????????????
luqo 24:7 => ???????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????
yuhanon 20:1 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????? ???? ????????
So each one of the the gospels gives us varying level of details, which is a normal thing giving that all of the writers of the gospels weren't there and heard it from the women. (i.e. say a story to a group of people, and then wait a while, and then ask them to write it down, and you'll be able to simulate how the above accounts came to be.)
psuh bashlomo,
keefa-morun
Thirdwoe Wrote:But if the 3 hours of darkness during that Friday day is part of the "3 nights" that Yeshu was in the "heart of the Earth" he was not in the heart of the Earth, but hanging above it and still alive until 3 PM...It seems to me that this is too far of a stretch to be considered plausible.
The term "hearth of the earth" (???????? ??????????) is a reference to hell, so at the moment of His death he went there to liberate us from hell.
In Semitic culture (i.e. Jewish, Canaanite, Aramean, Assyrian, etc...) we don't bury our dead under the ground; we put them in catacombs above the ground. To this day each family in Lebanon has their own family catacomb. The only people in the middle-east who bury their dead under the ground are the Muslims.
Thirdwoe Wrote:Can we look at Matthew 28:1 in the Aramaic and see what it says please.
Here it says, that in the evening (i.e. Sunday - equivalent to the western Saturday evening) they came to see the catacomb (after the Sabbath). Here the word came (??????) just tells us that they came to the catacomb; but not length of the period before the angel appeared to them nor even how long it took them to reach the catacomb.
The abruptness between matay 28:1 and matay 28:2 in the Aramaic would seem to indicate that the author skipped right to the next important event (i.e. the angel appearing.)
In essence the gospel of matay gave us a short summary of the events that occurred.
Now marqos 16:2, and luqo 24:1 fill in the blanks and give us what happened at daybreak (i.e. the events with the angels) with additional details
And yuhanon 20:1 on the other hand gives an even shorter summary of the events than matay, but clearly states that they made it to the catacomb in the morning hours of Sunday.
Here if we combine the Aramaic text from the four gospels we're giving a detailed image of what happened:
All four gospels agree that they came on Sunday (?????????? ???????? ???? ????????) (Semitic time) and after the Sabbath (???? ???????? ????????); it seems that before they started their journey they bought some anointments (?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????????????). After buying the anointments they must have walked for a while until they reached the catacomb; and it seems that they reached it while the day was just breaking (?????????? ???? ????????). While they were going there a great earthquake happened which opened the door of the catacomb -- caused by the angel (?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????). When they reached the catacomb door, as the sun was coming up (???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ????????) they saw that the door was already opened (?????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????), and the body of yeshu' wasn't there (???? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????). At that point they saw two men standing by them with shinning garments (???? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????) and with one situated near the rock (???????? ???????? ?????? ????????) on the right side (???????? ???? ??????????). It would seem that the one on the right side did the actual talking (as the other one is only mentioned by the gospel of luqo); and the one on the right hand side told them not to be afraid as yeshu' had risen ( ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ???? ????) he that was crucified and then asked them what they wanted of the living among the dead (?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ????????) and reminded them of the rising on the third day (?????????? ?????????? ????????). Although here they use the generic term for day, we remember the precision that yeshu' had made in matay 12:40
Here are the actual verses:
matay 28:1 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????
matay 28:2 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ????????
marqos 16:1 => ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????????????
marqos 16:2 => ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ????????
marqos 16:3 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????
marqos 16:4 => ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????
marqos 16:5 => ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ????????
marqos 16:6 => ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ??????
luqo 24:1 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????
luqo 24:2 => ?????????? ???????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ??????????
luqo 24:3 => ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????
luqo 24:4 => ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????
luqo 24:5 => ???????? ???????????? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ????????
luqo 24:6 => ???????????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ???? ????????????
luqo 24:7 => ???????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????
yuhanon 20:1 => ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????? ???? ????????
So each one of the the gospels gives us varying level of details, which is a normal thing giving that all of the writers of the gospels weren't there and heard it from the women. (i.e. say a story to a group of people, and then wait a while, and then ask them to write it down, and you'll be able to simulate how the above accounts came to be.)
psuh bashlomo,
keefa-morun