Dan Gan

[Dan Gan]

A former member of this forum called the Peshitta a 'whore.' Paul immediately expelled him. You, among other condescending comments, compared Islam on a forum with 'Bible believers' to 'pornography.' This is offensive to me. Why shouldn't you be expelled for this crime against the forum?

Go ahead and persuade Paul Younan or moderators here to expel me. I don't feel the need to defend myself if you did not create a special thread of its own to portray me in bad light for the world out there to see as I don't want to feed a troll like you because I prefer to deprive you of the arguments you are craving for in this forum. Until I get banned, I will continue to defend myself against your false accusation here.

You once created a thread accusing Apostle Paul a liar. This is offensive to me. I am sure it is offensive to many Christians out there as well. Did I response to you by bashing your 'al insan al kamil'? No, I just leaved you alone as you don't want me to criticize you or your Islamic faith. It is okay for you to bash my Apostle Paul but it is not okay for others to bash your 'prophet', eh? You cried foul when you perceived others of attacking your religion but it is okay for you to bash others. Stop acting like a victim here! Stop acting innocent!

I do accept Ahadith now. However, I only accept Ahadith with the soundest of chains of transmission which can absolutely positively be traced back to the Prophet. With all that said, al-Bukhari is the most authentic according to scholars.

But rather or not the Hadith you've quoted is strong, weak, or fabricated, you've provided no substantial, historical (what actually happened evidence) to prove that Jews and Christians were really expelled from the Arabian Peninsula.

I don't give a damn about your cut and paste. Whether the hadith is strong, weak, or fabricated is not my problem. The hadith that I quoted is 'sahih' and I quoted it not to bash your religion but just stating the fact that the Assyrian Church been persecuted by the Muslims when you demanded proof. Why? Because Muslims lived their life according to Hadith not according to your cut and paste from web sites.

No, I will not be provoked. But if you can talk about his crucifixion and divinity, then so can I. My view is just as valid. You know why? Because this is not a Christian forum!

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Last time you threatened to get me banned. Are you threatening to beat me up now? Do I understand you correctly?

Mentally, yes. Face to face, I'd have you sit down at my table in the kitchen. Then I'd go upstairs to bring down my suitcase of every source I have. What would you be able to say in face of reproductions purchased from the British Library?

That's why I'm always broke.

I will tell you that I am not impressed. I will be more impressed if you are not broke and spent your money wisely and prudently. Someone who goes broke just to build up his (low self-esteemed) ego so that he could be perceived by others as an intelligent man is surely not prudent.

Beware of little expenses. A small leak will sink a great ship. (Benjamin Franklin, the guy whose face on US$100 note ) <!-- s:bigups: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bigups.gif" alt=":bigups:" title="Big Ups" /><!-- s:bigups: -->

My comment has nothing to do with maturity.

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You simply have no right to come here and dictate what can and cannot be said here. If I, a Muslim, want to debate with Paul about the Diatessaron, I will. If I, a Muslim, want to debate with him the inimitability of the Qu'ran and thousands of Assyrian Christians who abandoned Syriac for Arabic in order to learn the Qu'ran, I will.

I have no right whatsoever to dictate what can and cannot be said here but you have all the rights? Did I dictate to others what can and cannot be said here? I just gave my opinions that members should be focusing on Peshitta instead of debating on Islam which is more appropriate to be done at a forum dedicated to Islam such as <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://faithfreedom.org/forum/">http://faithfreedom.org/forum/</a><!-- m --> . They are allowed to disagree. I will not create a thread to bash them and demand apology from them if they disagree with me. After my comment, Paul Younan came out with forum rules thread and he stated there "then your question is best answered on the thousands of forums that are dedicated to theological debates. This is not one of them. That is a waste of our bandwidth, time and resources."
Today, bandwidth and hard disk space are very cheap. It was very expensive back then. At the moment the server could tolerate your "cut and paste" from anti Bible web sites. Can you imagine what would happen to Peshitta.org's server if 100 Muslims out there come to this site to bash Apostle Paul daily or to promote Islam?
Server Busy Error Message 502: The server is busy at this moment because members are too busy debating about Islam and discussing about Quran instead of Peshitta. Please come back later. By the way, if you are looking for a Bible, please go elsewhere because this is not a Bible club.

I don't want you banned. I want an open apology as I gave to Andrew.

I will not apologize to you even if you are the owner or moderator of this forum because I didn't do anything wrong. Go ahead and persuade your beloved friends to ban me.

I might be a "newcomer" here and not contributing much to this forum like others or in your eyes as much as you do but I am sure many newcomers out there are contributing to promote the Peshitta more than you do - i.e "newcomers" or "Johnnys come lately" like Christopher Lancaster, Dave Bauscher, Jing, etc.

And the better performance goes to....

Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes in The Aviator. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->

If you want to continue to promote your Islamic agenda here, it is up to you.

What agenda? You gave a quote, I threw a fit. Antecedent, Consequent.

It is okay for you to cut and paste to accuse Apostle Paul a liar and post links to anti-Bible, anti-Paul, anti-Christian web sites but it is not okay for me to quote the Hadith from Islamic web site. Oh, I forgot that you are Paul Younan's friend. Did I give any fit in this thread? Did I bash your 'prophet' in the following thread in retaliation as a consequences to your false accusation and cut and paste from Islamic web site?

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It is okay for you to accuse us here as followers of a liar in this forum but it is not okay for us to defend ourselves. Should we decided to accuse your 'prophet' a liar you will surely cry foul like a victim here as not being loved and demand that we should be banned for insulting your 'prophet.'

And now you are accusing me here of being a hypocrite:

Again, you gave a quote, I threw a fit. If you do not mention Islam in a 'Christian forum,' then a Muslim has no need to be here to defend himself.

Antecedent, Consequent.

You're a hypocrite. You can strongly imply (without ever clearing stating) that my religion is full of hatred, ignorance, and bigotry, but I cannot refute you? When I give an explanation to your post, you want to tell me to take it outside to another forum?

You don't want a Islamic-Christian dialogue. You want a monologue. You want every member in this forum to gnash their teeth in agreement.

You can strongly imply that we are following a liar by the name Paul, but I cannot refute you? If I give an explanation in regards to your lies about Apostle Paul and attack your religion as a consequences to your thread attacking Apostle Paul, surely you will complain to Paul Younan and ask him to ban me for "insulting" your religion. Attacking Apostle Paul is offensive to me as you are accusing me of following a liar. I consider your post attacking Paul and link to anti-Paul web site as worse than pornography. That is my conviction. Others could disagree. I will surely not create a thread to bash others if they disagree with my conviction. Oh, once again I forgot. My views here are not valid. Only your views are valid.

Who is the one who wanted a monologue here? You want to have the freedom in this forum to attack Apostle Paul and our beliefs without having the consequences of retaliation from us. Once again, did I retaliate by attacking your 'prophet' in that pornographic thread of yours?

You need to cut and paste in order to express your thoughts so that you could be perceived by others as a learned educated man. You even need to cut and paste from a dictionary to explain simple words. Well, this is the age of the Internet. Any Tom, Dick, and Harry out there could appear as smart in his own eyes.

This forum does not belong to me. All I can do is to give my opinions that members here should concentrate on Peshitta instead of wasting time on Islamic debates which could be held elsewhere (i.e. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/">http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/</a><!-- m --> ).

Fortunately, for had it been yours, you would have expelled me quicker like a papal authority would.

Poor Pope John Paul II. He is still recuperating from severe respiratory problems and now he has become a Muslim punching bag in this forum in order to refute me. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="" title="Sad" /><!-- s --> Isn't your statement offensive to Catholics out there who considered the Pope as their leader? Should they demand a public apology from you as well? <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: -->

Pope John Paul II even forgave and blessed the Muslim Turk by the name Mehmet Ali Agca who tried to assasinate him in 1981. And now he is brought into this argument in order for you to refute me. Poor Pope John Paul II.

Cry me a river.

You fear me. You fear, since this is a 'Christian forum,' that I just might infiltrate through your faith or the faith of other Christians on this forum. Had you been confident about your faith, you'd welcome dialogue with me.

Who is crying like a baby here? You wanted to debate me through PM. I told you that I have no time for your antics as I come here to learn about Peshitta not about your religion. You wanted to "debate" and "dialogue" but when the other party criticized you or your religion you will cry foul and demand an apology or that the debate to be settled before Paul Younan. Remember your PM to me?

So mentally you wanted to beat me up badly, eh? <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> You are a very scary person but I am glad that I am taught to fear God alone.

You want to have the freedom to criticize others in this forum but at the same time you are denying the rights to others from criticizing you or your religion. Anyone that offended you should "be expelled for this crime", eh? Should anyone criticized you or your faith you will surely complain to your beloved friend Paul Younan. RFOL <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> Go ahead and complain and get me banned. Convince me once and for all that one of the moderators here is a Muslim.

You are not much different from many Muslims immigrants living in the Western world who are demanding the same rights with others to practise and propagate their religion freely but at the same time denying Christians their rights to propagate their faith in the Islamic world.

Dan: Please, forum, come to my aid. Although Kevin has not implied the notion of banning, I fear he'll sway Paul to do so. Please rise up against the Islamic beast in the name of all that's good and proper.

Have you forgotten how you wanted to see me banned in your PM to me not long ago? Scroll up and read your post earlier in this thread.

Why shouldn't you be expelled for this crime against the forum?

Don't tell lie in order to portray yourself as tolerant. Ask yourself whether deep down in your heart you wanted me to be banned. I don't know what is inside your heart. If you don't want me to be banned, then that is good with me. If you wanted me to be banned, then it is your right to believe what you wanted to believe.

Why should I be expelled from this forum? What crime have I committed? All I did was to express my sympathy and support to Assyrian Christians who were persecuted and discriminated. I do not come here to bash the Bible. I do not come here to accuse Apostle Paul a liar and post links to anti-Bible sites. I come here to learn from people like Paul Younan, Glenn Dave Bauscher, etc. If my presence here is not wanted just let me know. I will gladly leave and never come back. If there is a Muslim among the moderators of this forum or this forum partially belong to any Muslim out there, then let me know as I will surely no longer take part in this forum.

Once more, I stood my ground. I'm not asking for members of the forum to hold Quranic memorization sessions, am I?

You accused Apostle Paul as a liar in this thread and expect others not to attack your religion :

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By the way, I did not attack your religion in retaliation to your offensive thread. So your so-called "Antecedent, Consequent" is not working on me. Wonder why? Because only a bad tempered person could be easily provoked by others to anger. That is why in his bad tempered mind he wanted to beat the other person "mentally."

Dan: Please, forum, come to my aid. Although Kevin has not implied the notion of banning, I fear he'll sway Paul to do so. Please rise up against the Islamic beast in the name of all that's good and proper.

I didn't say that! You said that! Don't put words into my mouth. You are defaming me!

It just dawned on me how dramatic you are.

Let us see who is the real "drama queen (or is it king in your case? Drama queen sounds nicer)" here:

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:36 pm

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Forum,

I'm at the point of my life where every nuclei in my body is racing forth to tell me that it's time to become.

Therefore, I resign as a member of the forum. Farewell.

You made a formal announcement about your resignation from this forum and said farewell. I bade you farewell and praised you for making a wise decision. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->

Tell me honestly (because I don't know what is inside your heart), what do you expect others to say when you announced your resignation from this forum? Usually forum trolls like to bid farewell in the forum because they wanted to draw attention to themselves. They wanted others to say "Please don't go, etc." Do you want others to tell you "Please don't go we beg you. Please don't resign as we will surely miss your contribution in this forum! Please don't go we beg you as we need you to continue to cut and paste from Islamic web sites and attack Apostle Paul" ? Is that what you really wanted from others when you announced your resignation? Are you disappointed when I bade you farewell? <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->

And now you are accusing me of being dramatic. Who is dramatic here? You announced your resignation to the whole world wide web and a moment later created a thread to wage a jihad (total war) against some forum members.

Since you are a cut and paste from Dictionary fan, let me help you by pasting the definition of "resign" here :

re??sign Pronunciation Key (r-zn)
v. re??signed, re??sign??ing, re??signs
v. tr.
To submit (oneself) passively; accept as inevitable: I resigned myself to a long wait in line.
To give up (a position, for example), especially by formal notification.
To relinquish (a privilege, right, or claim).

See Synonyms at relinquish.

v. intr.
To give up one's job or office; quit, especially by formal notification: resign from a board of directors.

Until I get banned, I will continue to defend myself against your false accusation here even though I don't like to waste my precious time with your antics because I have better things to do. You are trying to tarnish me in the public forum and I have no choice but to sacrifice my precious time to defend myself.


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God bless you.