11-28-2004, 11:28 AM
Dave Dave Dave,
After all these years studying hebrew and aramaic, your still unable to listen to GOD? Have you ever actually asked Him what is the original and accepted what eventually He showed you? I dought it. There is no way you could have, your still lost in the numbers.
It does "smack" of Khabbalah because that is what it is.
The peshitta has no identified historical background earlier than the 3rd or 4th century. Nothing. No one knows where it came from. There is no written history of it, period. It is only a standardized byzantine type text, which means it was condensed and shaped by mankind into what it is today.
How can I, the arbitary non-scholar, say such bold things? Because everything that has ever been found to be dated from the 1st or 2nd centuries has been of the western type text. That's everything, fragments, scraps, etc. There is no documented history of this aramaic text being utilized during those years. In fact, it points more towards the syriac being utilized to smooth out the rough greek, which I would say led to the formation of this particular aramaic text.
Look it up if you don't believe me. The evidence speaks for itself.
If you wanna really get down to it, scripture pertains to the old testament. Scripture was what came through the prophets. Their life was completely dedicated to allowing GOD to speak through them, and allowing GOD to accomplish certain miracles at times. They were chosen by GOD. The gospels was a combination of written sayings and documented experiences people saw first hand about Jesus's life and ministry. All of this was gathered by a few people and combined together. That is why you see differences between Luke and Matthew in places. Luke felt that he had a better source on certain items than Matthew, and listed it as such. He didn't copy Matthew, he felt he was listing what was a better source of truth, so that we could rely on his resourcefulness. Is that a lie made by me to denounce the NT? Not at all, it is a common sense simplistic truth. It just seems to be too simple at times for people. They refuse to accept the fact, even though history explains it for them every single time.
Dave, I totally applaud you when it comes to decifering the hebrew and teaching people about the triune nature of GOD, your amazing at it!! But don't try to prove something that has no historical proof behind it, it only looks like your reaching, and you've become biased towards this particular text. Do your homework. Get out of the numbers and start looking at the available history, unless it's just that you really don't want to know the truth?! Pretty soon your gonna come up against GOD in this persuit of "your" ambitions.
Just little things Dave, can shoot holes right through this agenda of yours and others on here. How about a quote from Aphraates:
Interesting huh? To be honest, I think GOD witnesses to the greek because of the aramaic, someone put this together outside of GOD's will, and He said "Ok, you hate the greek so much that you wanna play with my words, I'll use the greek just to piss you off." Heh, really it seems to be the fact at times, when you look at the history of this.
By the way Paul, I have been about my business, learning new things. I never said that I wouldn't come back, I just got tired of arguing with you guys. And yes, I don't feel the blessing here that I do in church, so something must be wrong.
I will be learning Hebrew, and getting a degree in it when I retire here shortly. This was what GOD told me to do a couple of days ago, not mankind. I asked Him about aramaic and greek, and He said no. So there you go.
After all these years studying hebrew and aramaic, your still unable to listen to GOD? Have you ever actually asked Him what is the original and accepted what eventually He showed you? I dought it. There is no way you could have, your still lost in the numbers.
It does "smack" of Khabbalah because that is what it is.
The peshitta has no identified historical background earlier than the 3rd or 4th century. Nothing. No one knows where it came from. There is no written history of it, period. It is only a standardized byzantine type text, which means it was condensed and shaped by mankind into what it is today.
How can I, the arbitary non-scholar, say such bold things? Because everything that has ever been found to be dated from the 1st or 2nd centuries has been of the western type text. That's everything, fragments, scraps, etc. There is no documented history of this aramaic text being utilized during those years. In fact, it points more towards the syriac being utilized to smooth out the rough greek, which I would say led to the formation of this particular aramaic text.
Look it up if you don't believe me. The evidence speaks for itself.
If you wanna really get down to it, scripture pertains to the old testament. Scripture was what came through the prophets. Their life was completely dedicated to allowing GOD to speak through them, and allowing GOD to accomplish certain miracles at times. They were chosen by GOD. The gospels was a combination of written sayings and documented experiences people saw first hand about Jesus's life and ministry. All of this was gathered by a few people and combined together. That is why you see differences between Luke and Matthew in places. Luke felt that he had a better source on certain items than Matthew, and listed it as such. He didn't copy Matthew, he felt he was listing what was a better source of truth, so that we could rely on his resourcefulness. Is that a lie made by me to denounce the NT? Not at all, it is a common sense simplistic truth. It just seems to be too simple at times for people. They refuse to accept the fact, even though history explains it for them every single time.
Dave, I totally applaud you when it comes to decifering the hebrew and teaching people about the triune nature of GOD, your amazing at it!! But don't try to prove something that has no historical proof behind it, it only looks like your reaching, and you've become biased towards this particular text. Do your homework. Get out of the numbers and start looking at the available history, unless it's just that you really don't want to know the truth?! Pretty soon your gonna come up against GOD in this persuit of "your" ambitions.
Just little things Dave, can shoot holes right through this agenda of yours and others on here. How about a quote from Aphraates:
Quote:"and Jacob begat Joseph, and Joseph was called father to Jesus The Messiah."
Interesting huh? To be honest, I think GOD witnesses to the greek because of the aramaic, someone put this together outside of GOD's will, and He said "Ok, you hate the greek so much that you wanna play with my words, I'll use the greek just to piss you off." Heh, really it seems to be the fact at times, when you look at the history of this.
By the way Paul, I have been about my business, learning new things. I never said that I wouldn't come back, I just got tired of arguing with you guys. And yes, I don't feel the blessing here that I do in church, so something must be wrong.
I will be learning Hebrew, and getting a degree in it when I retire here shortly. This was what GOD told me to do a couple of days ago, not mankind. I asked Him about aramaic and greek, and He said no. So there you go.