11-21-2004, 02:08 AM
Shalom brethren!
If you guys don't mind, i would like to comment on this. I would like to present you with writings from the Talmud Bavli, tractate Yevamot 17a. And this is concerning what the Rabbis thought about the 10 tribes of Israel scattered among the nations.
Yevamot 17a
Thy son, implies that he who is descended from an Israelitish woman may be called thy son, but thy son who is descended from a heathen woman is not called thy son but her son (I.e., is regarded as a perfect heathen and his betrothal has no validity). But, surely, there were also daughters (Of the ten tribes who married heathens), and Rabina had said, ???From this it may be inferred that thy daughter's son born from [a union with] a heathen is called thy son???!??? There is a tradition that the women of that generation were sterilized.
Others read: When I mentioned the matter in the presence of Samuel he said to me, ???They did not move from there until they had declared them (The ten tribes.) to be perfect heathens/goyim; as it is said in the Scriptures, They have dealt treacherously against the Lord, for they have begotten strange children. (Hoshea 5:7)
They called the heathens Arameans, which is the same term Shaul used when referring to the Gentiles, he called them Arameans. He stated there is no difference between Jew or Aramean.
Also in tractate Gitin Mishnah 5 it says:
Any legal document which has a Samaritan as witness to it is invalid, save writs of divorce and writs of manumision of bondmen. It once happened that they brought a letter of divorce before Rabban Gamliel at Kefar Avthani, and its witnesses were Samaritans, and he declared it legal.
Ezekiel 23 defines very clearly who Samaria is and who Yerushalaim is.
Ezekiel 23:9 "Therefore I have delivered her (House of Israel) Into the hand of her lovers, Into the hand of the Assyrians, For whom she lusted.
Jews have always had resentment against Samaria (House of Israel), so there has always been division between Yosef and Yehudah. So based on tradition and scripture throughout the Tanakh and Brit Chadashah i believe the reunion of Judah and Yosef, which is the Good News of Mashiach.
So, these are my comments. I would love to hear what you guys have to say.
Yohanan
If you guys don't mind, i would like to comment on this. I would like to present you with writings from the Talmud Bavli, tractate Yevamot 17a. And this is concerning what the Rabbis thought about the 10 tribes of Israel scattered among the nations.
Yevamot 17a
Thy son, implies that he who is descended from an Israelitish woman may be called thy son, but thy son who is descended from a heathen woman is not called thy son but her son (I.e., is regarded as a perfect heathen and his betrothal has no validity). But, surely, there were also daughters (Of the ten tribes who married heathens), and Rabina had said, ???From this it may be inferred that thy daughter's son born from [a union with] a heathen is called thy son???!??? There is a tradition that the women of that generation were sterilized.
Others read: When I mentioned the matter in the presence of Samuel he said to me, ???They did not move from there until they had declared them (The ten tribes.) to be perfect heathens/goyim; as it is said in the Scriptures, They have dealt treacherously against the Lord, for they have begotten strange children. (Hoshea 5:7)
They called the heathens Arameans, which is the same term Shaul used when referring to the Gentiles, he called them Arameans. He stated there is no difference between Jew or Aramean.
Also in tractate Gitin Mishnah 5 it says:
Any legal document which has a Samaritan as witness to it is invalid, save writs of divorce and writs of manumision of bondmen. It once happened that they brought a letter of divorce before Rabban Gamliel at Kefar Avthani, and its witnesses were Samaritans, and he declared it legal.
Ezekiel 23 defines very clearly who Samaria is and who Yerushalaim is.
Ezekiel 23:9 "Therefore I have delivered her (House of Israel) Into the hand of her lovers, Into the hand of the Assyrians, For whom she lusted.
Jews have always had resentment against Samaria (House of Israel), so there has always been division between Yosef and Yehudah. So based on tradition and scripture throughout the Tanakh and Brit Chadashah i believe the reunion of Judah and Yosef, which is the Good News of Mashiach.
So, these are my comments. I would love to hear what you guys have to say.
Yohanan